Talking Point #74 – Jesus (of the Bible) is God and Savior (update to Talking Point #69)

Talking Point #69, titled “jesus (of the Quran) is not God”, does a great job of detailing how the Quran quite literally goes out of its way to ensure that its reader doesn’t get the notion that the guy named jesus (Isa) is God (he isn’t the God of the Bible and he isn’t even the false, lying god of Islam).  There is no doubt left after reading this Talking Point and the ones that preceded it that jesus in the Quran is a messenger – nothing more.

The Quran even goes so far as to call him the messiah, but you must also know that that word, used by Islamists about the guy in the Quran, in NO WAY refers to the Messiah, Jesus Christ of the Bible.  Messiah, as used in the Quran, is itself nothing more than messenger and the Quran tells on itself in the same verses (ayat) in which it referes to the messiah:

“O People of the Scripture! Do not exaggerate in your religion nor utter aught concerning Allah save the truth. The Messiah, Jesus son of Mary, was only a messenger of Allah, and His word which He conveyed unto Mary, and a spirit from Him. So believe in Allah and His messengers,”
Sura 4:171 (see also Talking Point #2 about this topic)

The Messiah, son of Mary, was no other than a messenger, messengers (the like of whom) had passed away before him. …”
Sura 5:75

So don’t get confused, and certainly don’t let a taqiyya-wielding Muslim throw you off base.  The Quran itself designated their jesus as no more than a messenger.  In other words, he wasnt’ special at all.  He was “just another messenger.”  And now he’s dead.

I don’t believe that about Jesus Christ (of the Bible)!  Plenty of churches in America today are buying this “jesus in the Quran” and “Chrislam” crap.  Rick Warren, of Saddleback church in California, works “Chrislam” into events to promote his “Kings Way” program aimed at inbreeding the fact that we all serve the same god – part of this is citing Biblicial and Quranic quotes side-by-side in their literature to give the appearance that we are all speaking of the same god (hey, it’s California – why stop the liberalization of the state at the door of the church?).  We don’t accept it.  There is too much in the Bible to support a loving, caring Jesus, Son of God, and, in fact, God Himself!  There is no way He can be found within the pages of hatred such as the Quran.

And speaking of Him being God Himself, I wanted to dive a bit deeper into this subject and to continue where I left off in Talking Point #69, not to mention a direct shout out to all those who would believe that Jesus never claimed to be God.  In the Bible, Jesus is called Savior.  He is also called Redeemer, Rock, and other titles (if I give them all here, as John says, there wouldn’t be enough room to write them all – go and do your own research on His various titles).  Notice that I capitalize the words referring to Him to make it easy for the reader to determine Who is being spoken of.  In some cases, so does the Bible.  In other cases it does not; what is important is the original word used the in Scripture and I’ll show you each of them below.  When we discuss these matters in English, capitalization is so important that I carried it over to this blog site to differentiate the Real Jesus from the fake jesus (it’s been a convention since day 1).  Yes, it’s that important.  So keep that in mind as you continue reading.

Let’s take the terms “First and Last” (or variations thereof), Rock, Redeemer, and Savior and see what else we can find about them in Scripture.  I’m going to assume (for the sake of space if nothing else) that you already agree that the terms Rock, Redeemer, Savior, “First and Last”, etc., refer to Jesus Christ (of the Bible), however, I’m also going to prove it for those who doubt.  With that, then…ready?

“Hearken unto me, O Jacob and Israel, my called; I am he; I am the first, I also am the last.  Mine hand also hath laid the foundation of the earth, and my right hand hath spanned the heavens: when I call unto them, they stand up together.”
Isaiah 48:12-13

Now, strictly from memory (no fair cheating by turning to Genesis 1:1 and John 1:3), who was it that created the heaven and the earth?  Who created all that we see in the majesty of the heavens?

“The heavens declare the glory of God; and the firmament sheweth his handywork.”
Psalm 19:1

Whose handywork is it that the heavens are declaring?  We all know that this is pointing to God Himself.  But is He Jesus (of the Bible)?  Oh yeah!  But we can’t stop there…there is much more Scripture that supports this determination.

First and Last

I just gave you one example above of First and Last but let’s outline them below.  For starters, let’s go to the most obvious place in Scripture where Jesus (of the Bible) introduces Himself as the First and the Last (among other titles):

“Saying, I am Alpha and Omega, the first and the last: and, What thou seest, write in a book, and send it unto the seven churches which are in Asia; unto Ephesus, and unto Smyrna, and unto Pergamos, and unto Thyatira, and unto Sardis, and unto Philadelphia, and unto Laodicea.”
Revelation 1:11

This title is repeated just a few verses later:

“And when I saw him, I fell at his feet as dead. And he laid his right hand upon me, saying unto me, Fear not; I am the first and the last:”
Revelation 1:17

Now that you know one of His titles you can easily search Scripture for other references for the same introduction and you can immediately spot Him in places where others swear He isn’t.  This is part of that “having eyes that see and ears that hear” kind of thing.  Without understanding Scripture and what is blatantly given to us, we lose the true meaning and the possibility of knowing something as important as seeing Him when He steps on stage.  Worse, you leave yourself open to receiving the misguided message of those who would have you believe otherwise, specifically that Jesus (of the Bible) is not God.  There is no such thing as Chrislam.  Read on to be amazed – all doubt is about to be wiped away:

“Hearken unto me, O Jacob and Israel, my called; I am he; I am the first, I also am the last.”
Isaiah 48:12

In this verse, God is speaking directly to His children Israel and identified Himself as first and last.  But check out this one:

Thus saith the LORD the King of Israel, and his redeemer the LORD of hosts; I am the first, and I am the last; and beside me there is no God.”
Isaiah 44:6

Let’s break that one down.  We’re reading from the Old Testament Scriptures so it should be an easy agreement that the word “LORD” as used here refers to God (as the verse plainly surmises at the end).  But to most, the word “LORD” like we see it here means “God the Father.”  But it goes on to say “…and his redeemer…”  To Whom is this pointing?  Who is the Redeemer?  It is Jesus Christ of the Bible.  But like the television infomercials, “But wait, there’s more!”  Keep reading and you’ll see that He also described Himself as “…I am the first and I am the last;” and then He nails it with “…and beside Me there is no God.”  There is very little one can make of such a statement without a great deal of tap dancing around the Truth.  Hallelujah!!  This one verse ties together the notion of First and Last with God Himself!

Rock

Who is it in Scripture Who is referred to as a Rock?  Paul tells us without a doubt (I love the verses that plainly state fact because they can’t be debated into something they were not meant to be).  While addressing the church at Corinth and giving them a history lesson on the wilderness wanderings, Paul tell us:

“And did all drink the same spiritual drink: for they drank of that spiritual Rock that followed them: and that Rock was Christ.”
1st Corinthians 10:4

Paul and Peter both, alluding to the Old Testament, tell us that He (God) laid before Israel a “Rock of offense”.  Here are the verses as given in the King James Version:

“As it is written, Behold, I lay in Sion a stumblingstone and rock of offence: and whosoever believeth on him shall not be ashamed.”
Romans 9:33

And a stone of stumbling, and a rock of offence, even to them which stumble at the word, being disobedient: whereunto also they were appointed.”
1st Peter 2:8

So from where were they quoting?  Let’s go to the Old Testament and see if we can find it.  Speaking to Israel in Isaiah chapter 8, and warning them about calamity to follow for their failure to follow His Word, God tells Isaiah about “Immanuel” and promises “God with us” (you can also follow this line with the promise of the coming of One Who would be born of a virgin as a sign and reaffirmed in Matthew 1 – by the way, has He ever been called Immanuel?) .

“And he shall be for a sanctuary; but for a stone of stumbling and for a rock of offence to both the houses of Israel, for a gin and for a snare to the inhabitants of Jerusalem.”
Isaiah 8:14

So we know Who this “rock” is that is spoken of and promised to us, but that doesn’t exactly prove that He’s God.  There are other places we need to look to tie all of this up together and make the point.

“Give ear, O ye heavens, and I will speak; and hear, O earth, the words of my mouth.  My doctrine shall drop as the rain, my speech shall distil as the dew, as the small rain upon the tender herb, and as the showers upon the grass: Because I will publish the name of the Lord: ascribe ye greatness unto our God.  He is the Rock, his work is perfect: for all his ways are judgment: a God of truth and without iniquity, just and right is he.”
Deuteronomy 32:1-4

“There is none holy as the Lord: for there is none beside thee: neither is there any rock like our God.”
1st Samuel 2:2

“For who is God, save the Lord? and who is a rock, save our God?
2nd Samuel 22:32

The Lord is my rock, and my fortress, and my deliverer; my God, my strength, in whom I will trust; my buckler, and the horn of my salvation, and my high tower.”
Psalm 18:2

“For who is God save the Lord? or who is a rock save our God?
Psalm 18:31

And they remembered that God was their rock, and the high God their redeemer.”
Psalm 78:35

“He shall cry unto me, Thou art my father, my God, and the rock of my salvation.”
Psalm 89:26

“But the Lord is my defence; and my God is the rock of my refuge.”
Psalm 94:22

Wow!  Now that’s some Biblical support for a premise, huh?  After reading and digesting all of that, we should have no reason to not believe that Jesus Christ is God!  He’s not in the Quran because He’s busy being God, not a mere messenger 🙂 (see Sura 4:171 above).

Redeemer

Look back up to Psalm 78:35 and you’ll see again that He is described as God, Rock and Redeemer all in one verse!  But let’s look at other Scripture as well to gain backup support.

“And I will feed them that oppress thee with their own flesh; and they shall be drunken with their own blood, as with sweet wine: and all flesh shall know that I the Lord am thy Saviour and thy Redeemer, the mighty One of Jacob.”
Isaiah 49:26

“Thou shalt also suck the milk of the Gentiles, and shalt suck the breast of kings: and thou shalt know that I the LORD am thy Saviour and thy Redeemer, the mighty One of Jacob.”
Isaiah 60:16

Now, I’m going to ask permission to NOT write out all the verses Scripture where the terms God and Redeemer are linked together, but I do want to list them for you.  Print this page and go to the Scriptures for yourself and begin reading.  You’ll be turning pages a while…

Here are the places where you can find evidence that the Rock is God Himself, the LORD, as He is titled in the King James Version.  I’ll offer you a quick challenge – see how many of them actually capitalize the word Redeemer!

Psalm 19:14Isaiah 41:14
Isaiah 43:14
Isaiah 44:6
Isaiah 44:24
Isaiah 47:4
Isaiah 48:17
Isaiah 49:7
Isaiah 49:26
Isaiah 54:5
Isaiah 54:8
Isaiah 59:20
Isaiah 60:16 (above)
Isaiah 63:16
Jeremiah 50:34

Keep in mind that these are only the verses that combine LORD and Redeemer in one; there are many others that label Him as God.  You can do this research on your own.

But this should be enough to leave us with no doubt that the Rock, as identified explicitly by Paul as Jesus Christ Himself, is God in the flesh!  Who was it again that suggested that Jesus is not God; or, rather, who was it that said He never said He was God?  Go read the Bible a little closer and you’ll see that there is no other conclusion to which you can come, and He is not the same as the guy named jesus in the Quran.  No, sir…

Savior

I kind of saved (no pun intended) this one for last because I’m partial to this term as it described Jesus (of the Bible).  The bottom line is that man can save neither himself nor anyone else.  Because He created man, it takes God to save man, and He did so when He sent His Son, Jesus Christ (of the Bible) to this earth to die for our sins.  The guy named jesus in the Quran didn’t die for your sins (in fact, Islam offers you no such salvation but you must work for your salvation – a totally different “salvation” approach than that offered through the Blood of Jesus of the Bible).

Let’s break out some Scripture references to prove that He, the Savior from the New Testament, is also the Savior mentioned in the Old, and that He is God Himself.

The God of my rock; in him will I trust: he is my shield, and the horn of my salvation, my high tower, and my refuge, my saviour; thou savest me from violence.”
2nd Samuel 22:3

They forgat God their saviour, which had done great things in Egypt;”
psalm 106:21

For I am the LORD thy God, the Holy One of Israel, thy Saviour: I gave Egypt for thy ransom, Ethiopia and Seba for thee.”
Isaiah 43:3

“Verily thou art a God that hidest thyself, O God of Israel, the Saviour.”
Isaiah 45:15

“Tell ye, and bring them near; yea, let them take counsel together: who hath declared this from ancient time? who hath told it from that time? have not I the LORD? and there is no God else beside me; a just God and a Saviour; there is none beside me.”
Isaiah 45:21

“Yet I am the LORD thy God from the land of Egypt, and thou shalt know no god but me: for there is no saviour beside me.”
Hosea 13:4

Look back at that last one again, Hosea 13:4, and then re-read Psalm 106:21.  Notice that these two verses share something very special and they themselves combine very important characteristics of Him.  In Psalm 106:21, notice that He (God and Savior) “…had done great things in Egypt;”.  In Hosea 13:4, He is “…thy God from the land of Egypt,”.  Is there other Biblical evidence to detail these great things and tell us about the God with Israel in the land of Egypt, the One before Whom we are to have no other gods?  Let’s look into the Book of Exodus to a very well-known chapter and see a very well-known verse as God introduces Himself and lays out “The Ten Commandments”:

I am the LORD thy God, which have brought thee out of the land of Egypt, out of the house of bondage.  Thou shalt have no other gods before me.
Exodus 20:2-3

Yes, He is the God, The God, THE GOD, that brought Israel out of the land of Egypt!  And in Psalm 106 He is identified as none other than the Savior, Jesus Christ Himself!  Scripture truly is the best commentary on Scripture!

It’s about time to wrap this one up.  It’s been a long write-up about the King (Doh!  There’s another title – I bet I could find evidence to tie Jesus of the Bible to that title as well!!) and the Word of the Lord (occurs 245 times in the Old Testament alone – compare that to the opening lines in the Book of John).  We all know that knowledge of Him is indefinite and we’ll spend eternity getting to know Him and discovering more very important and very cool things about Him.  For now, I could go on and on with other titles and link them to Old Testament verses that prove that He is God, but I also want you to do some of your own research.  Go forth and prove me wrong if you can (and if you do, please use the “Contact” page here to notify me and show me your research).  Good luck with that!

So, the Son of God, Jesus Christ, has nothing to do with Islam.  Anyone who tells you otherwise is wrong and now you have some ammunition to use against their argument.  Be warned that the world does not want to know the things I’ve presented here so you may not have an easy time presenting them, but don’t let that stop you.  Witness to Muslims if you have a chance and teach them the Truth about Jesus Christ (of the Bible).  Talking to them about jesus in the Quran is about as productive to their salvation as talking to them about the first guy to ride across the United States for Wells Fargo.  Both were merely messengers and both are now dead.  Neither of them was or is God and, therefore, they are inconsequential to the message of salvation that we are obligated to take to all the lost, including Muslims.  Speaking to them out of some false “common ground” and about a phantom “savior in the Quran named Isa” is counterproductive to anything related to eternity with God (of the Bible).  It’s pointless to keep talking about the guy named jesus in the Quran as if he were anything more than a messenger.  He isn’t, because He isn’t Jesus Christ, and…

Jesus is NOT in the Quran!

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