Talking Point #29 – are quranic morals Christian morals?

I’ve often asked the “Chrislam” folks (like Jamie Winship of the “jesus and the Quran” heresy) what in the world could possibly make them think that the god of Islam could be the same as the God of the Bible.  I’ve never gotten intelligent answers.  If you don’t believe these folks believe this way, you should have been there when I personally witnessed Jamie allow his wife, Donna, to pray IN THE NAME OF the god of Islam (I try not to use his name) in a (supposedly) Christian church!  She doesn’t do that anymore.  I pointed it out to Jamie and asked him if he didn’t think that was a bit over the top and, miraculously, have never heard her do it again (I can’t imagine why she stopped…).  But I digress.

The last post I gave you was kind of short.  This post will be long.  Actually, the post itself won’t be long, but it’s going to be full of Quran ayats (that’s verses to you and me) that prove that the god of Islam hates Jews and Christians without end.  As you read through these,  notice that you won’t find a single mention of tolerance and, especially, love.  Let’s look at the “morals” in the Quran and you determine how well they fit with your own; then determine for yourself if “Chrislam” has a leg to stand on.

Within the Quran, there are no fewer than 109 ayats that order the Muslim to engage in war with the nonbelievers, all for the sake of Islamic rule (how many times have I told you that Islam is not a religion but a political system?).  These commands to the Muslim need no interpretation and are very graphic in their details, some calling on the Muslim to behead the infidels (that’s me!), chop off their fingers and to find and kill us wherever we may be found (Hey, Muslim, there’s a Christian writing this…come and kill him!).  If Muslims don’t act this way (like the savages that their god and prophet (DBUH) are), they are told that their god will send them to hell – what a comfort.  Now where does Jesus (of the Bible) write anything similar to that…oh yeah, He doesn’t!

Throughout the Quran, which Buddy Hoffman of Grace Fellowship Church in Snellville, GA (the lead on the jiQ heresy) admitted to me that he has never read (he said he has a staff to tell him all he needs to know about it), you won’t find many ayats (verses) of tolerance and love.  Even considering the principle of abrogation (see Talking Point #21) there isn’t enough to come near to balancing out the many calls for nonbelievers to be subdued until they convert to Islam (never!), accept the humiliating role of the dhimmi (which includes paying the jizyah – a “thank you for letting me live” tax), or die.  That’s it.  That’s the totality of what the Muslim can do for you, Christian:  convert, pay the tax and live a muted life, or die.  Have fun choosing.

Let’s get to the Quran.  In case you haven’t read it, here are just a few of the most memorable ayats that show the morals of the capricious moon god of hate who now heads Islam:

“And slay them wherever ye find them, and drive them out of the places whence they drove you out, for persecution [of Muslims] is worse than slaughter [of non-believers]… but if they desist, then lo! Allah is forgiving and merciful.   And fight them until persecution is no more, and religion is for Allah.”
Sura 2:191-193

The historical context of this passage is not defensive warfare, since Muhammad and his Muslims had just relocated to Medina and were not under attack by their Meccan adversaries.  In fact, the verses urge offensive warfare, in that Muslims are to drive Meccans out of their own city (which they later did).  The use of the word “persecution” by some Muslim translators is thus disingenuous (the actual Muslim words for persecution – “idtihad” – and oppression – a variation of “z-l-m” – do not appear in the verse).  The actual Arabic comes from “fitna” which can mean disbelief, or the disorder that results from unbelief or temptation.  Taken as a whole, the context makes clear that violence is being authorized until “religion is for Allah” – i.e., unbelievers desist in their unbelief.

“Fighting is prescribed for you, and ye dislike it. But it is possible that ye dislike a thing which is good for you, and that ye love a thing which is bad for you. But Allah knoweth, and ye know not.”
Sura 2:216

Not only does this verse establish that violence can be virtuous, but it also contradicts the myth that fighting is intended only in self-defense, since the audience was obviously not under attack at the time.  From the Hadith, we know that this verse was narrated at a time that Muhammad was actually trying to motivate his people into raiding merchant caravans for loot.

“As to those who reject faith, I will punish them with terrible agony in this world and in the Hereafter, nor will they have anyone to help.”
Sura 3:567

Soon shall We cast terror into the hearts of the Unbelievers, for that they joined companions with Allah, for which He had sent no authority.”
Sura 3:151

This speaks directly of polytheists, yet it also includes Christians, since they believe in the Trinity (i.e. what Muhammad incorrectly believed to be ‘joining companions to Allah’).”

“Let those fight in the way of Allah who sell the life of this world for the other. Whoso fighteth in the way of Allah, be he slain or be he victorious, on him We shall bestow a vast reward.”
Sura 4:74

The martyrs of Islam are unlike the early Christians, led meekly to the slaughter.  These Muslims are killed in battle, as they attempt to inflict death and destruction for the cause of the god of Islam.  Here is the theological basis for today’s suicide bombers.

“They but wish that ye should reject Faith, as they do, and thus be on the same footing (as they): But take not friends from their ranks until they flee in the way of Allah (From what is forbidden). But if they turn renegades, seize them and slay them wherever ye find them; and (in any case) take no friends or helpers from their ranks.”
Sura 4:89

“Not equal are those believers who sit (at home) and receive no hurt, and those who strive and fight in the cause of Allah with their goods and their persons. Allah hath granted a grade higher to those who strive and fight with their goods and persons than to those who sit (at home). Unto all (in Faith) Hath Allah promised good: But those who strive and fight Hath He distinguished above those who sit (at home) by a special reward,-”
Sura 4:95

This passage criticizes “peaceful” Muslims who do not join in the violence, letting them know that they are less worthy in the eyes of the god of Islam.  It also demolishes the modern myth that “Jihad” doesn’t mean holy war in the Quran, but rather a spiritual struggle.  Not only is the Arabic word used in this passage, but it is clearly not referring to anything spiritual, since the physically disabled are given exemption.  (The Hadith reveals the context of the passage to be in response to a blind man’s protest that he is unable to engage in Jihad and this is reflected in other translations of the verse).

The punishment of those who wage war against Allah and His messenger and strive to make mischief in the land is only this, that they should be murdered or crucified or their hands and their feet should be cut off on opposite sides or they should be imprisoned; this shall be as a disgrace for them in this world, and in the hereafter they shall have a grievous chastisement”
Sura 5:33

I will cast terror into the hearts of those who disbelieve. Therefore strike off their heads and strike off every fingertip of them
Sura 8:12

“O ye who believe! When ye meet those who disbelieve in battle, turn not your backs to them. Whoso on that day turneth his back to them, unless maneuvering for battle or intent to join a company, he truly hath incurred wrath from Allah, and his habitation will be hell, a hapless journey’s end.”
Sura 8:15

“And fight with them until there is no more fitna (disorder, unbelief) and religion should be only for Allah”
Sura 8:39

Some translations interpret “fitna” as “persecution”, but the traditional understanding of this word is not supported by the historical context.  The Meccans were simply refusing Muhammad access to their city during Haj.  Other Muslims were allowed to travel there – just not as an armed group, since Muhammad had declared war on Mecca prior to his eviction.  The Meccans were also acting in defense of their religion, since it was Muhammad’s intention to destroy their idols and establish Islam by force (which he later did).  Hence the critical part of this verse is to fight until “religion is only for Allah”, meaning that the true justification of violence was the unbelief of the opposition.  According to the Sira (Ibn Ishaq/Hisham 324) Muhammad further explains that “Allah must have no rivals.”

“And let not those who disbelieve suppose that they can outstrip (Allah’s Purpose). Lo! they cannot escape.  Make ready for them all thou canst of (armed) force and of horses tethered, that thereby ye may dismay the enemy of Allah and your enemy.”
Sura 8:59-60

“So when the sacred months have passed away, then slay the idolaters wherever you find them, and take them captives and besiege them and lie in wait for them in every ambush, then if they repent and keep up prayer and pay the poor-rate, leave their way free to them.”
Sura 9:5

According to this verse, the best way of staying safe from Muslim violence is to convert to Islam.  Prayer (salat) and the poor tax (zakat) are among the religion’s Five Pillars.

Fight those who believe not in Allah nor the Last Day, nor hold that forbidden which hath been forbidden by Allah and His Messenger, nor acknowledge the religion of Truth, (even if they are) of the People of the Book, until they pay the Jizya with willing submission, and feel themselves subdued.”
Sura 9:29

“People of the Book” refers to Christians and Jews.  This was one of the final “revelations” from the god of Islam and it set in motion the tenacious military expansion, in which Muhammad’s companions managed to conquer two-thirds of the Christian world in the next 100 years.  Islam is intended to dominate all other people and faiths.

“And the Jews say: Ezra is the son of Allah; and the Christians say: The Messiah is the son of Allah; these are the words of their mouths; they imitate the saying of those who disbelieved before; may Allah destroy them; how they are turned away!
Sura 9:30

“O ye who believe! what is the matter with you, that, when ye are asked to go forth in the cause of Allah, ye cling heavily to the earth? Do ye prefer the life of this world to the Hereafter? But little is the comfort of this life, as compared with the Hereafter. Unless ye go forth, He will punish you with a grievous penalty, and put others in your place.”
Sura 9:38-39

This is a warning to those who refuse to fight, that they will be punished with Hell.

“Go forth, light-armed and heavy-armed, and strive with your wealth and your lives in the way of Allah! That is best for you if ye but knew.  If there had been immediate gain (in sight), and the journey easy, they would (all) without doubt have followed thee, but the distance was long, (and weighed) on them”
Sura 9:41-42

This contradicts the myth that Muslims are to fight only in self-defense, since the wording implies that battle will be waged a long distance from home (in another country and on Christian soil, in this case, according to the historians).

“O Prophet! strive hard against the unbelievers and the hypocrites and be unyielding to them; and their abode is hell, and evil is the destination.”
Sura 9:73

Dehumanizing those who reject Islam, by reminding Muslims that they are merely firewood for Hell, makes it easier to justify slaughter.  It also explains why today’s devout Muslims have little regard for those outside the faith.

“O you who believe! fight those of the unbelievers who are near to you and let them find in you hardness.”
Sura 9:123

“And when We wish to destroy a town, We send Our commandment to the people of it who lead easy lives, but they transgress therein; thus the word proves true against it, so We destroy it with utter destruction.”
Sura 17:16

Note that the crime is moral transgression, and the punishment is “utter destruction.”

In Sura 18:65-81 we find a parable that lays the theological groundwork for honor killings, in which a family member is murdered because they brought shame to the family, either through apostasy or perceived moral indiscretion.  The story (which is not found in any Jewish or Christian source) tells of Moses encountering a man with “special knowledge” who does things which don’t seem to make sense on the surface, but are then justified according to later explanation.  One such action is to murder a youth for no apparent reason.  However, the wise man later explains that it was feared that the boy would “grieve” his parents by “disobedience and ingratitude.”  He was killed so that Allah could provide them a ‘better’ son.  (Note: This is one reason why honor killing is sanctioned by Shariah.  Reliance of the Traveller (correctly spelled with two l’s) o.1.1-2 says that punishment for murder is not applicable when a parent or grandparent kills their offspring.)

“Therefore listen not to the Unbelievers, but strive against them with the utmost strenuousness…
Sura 25:52

“Strive against” is Jihad – obviously not in the personal context.  It’s also significant to point out that this is a Meccan verse.

“If the hypocrites, and those in whose hearts is a disease, and the alarmists in the city do not cease, We verily shall urge thee on against them, then they will be your neighbors in it but a little while.  Accursed, they will be seized wherever found and slain with a (fierce) slaughter.”
Sura 33:60-62

This passage sanctions the slaughter (rendered “merciless” and “horrible murder” in other translations) against three groups: Hypocrites (Muslims who refuse to “fight in the way of Allah” (3:167) and hence don’t act as Muslims should), those with “diseased hearts” (which include Jews and Christians 5:51-52), and “alarmists” or “agitators” which includes those who merely speak out against Islam, according to Muhammad’s biographers.  It is worth noting that the victims are to be sought out by Muslims, which is what today’s terrorists do.  If this passage is meant merely to apply to the city of Medina, then it is unclear why it is included in the god of Islam’s eternal word to Muslim generations.

“Those who reject Allah follow vanities, while those who believe follow the truth from their lord.  Thus does Allah set forth form men their lessons by similitude.  Therefore when you meet in battle those who disbelieve, then smite the necks until when you have overcome them, then make (them) prisoners,”
Sura 47:3-4

Those who reject Allah are to be subdued in battle.  The verse goes on to say the only reason the god of Islam doesn’t do the dirty work himself is in order to test the faithfulness of Muslims.  Those who kill, pass the test.

“But if it had been Allah’s Will, He could certainly have exacted retribution from them (Himself); but (He lets you fight) in order to test you, some with others. But those who are slain in the Way of Allah,- He will never let their deeds be lost.”
Sura 47:4

“Be not weary and faint-hearted, crying for peace, when ye should be uppermost (Shakir: “have the upper hand”) for Allah is with you,”
Sura 47:35

“There is no blame for the blind, nor is there blame for the lame, nor is there blame for the sick (that they go not forth to war). And whoso obeyeth Allah and His messenger, He will make him enter Gardens underneath which rivers flow; and whoso turneth back, him will He punish with a painful doom.”
Sura 48:17

Contemporary apologists sometimes claim that Jihad means ‘spiritual struggle.’  If so, then why are the blind, lame and sick exempted?  This verse also says that those who do not fight will suffer torment in hell.

“Muhammad is the messenger of Allah. And those with him are hard (ruthless) against the disbelievers and merciful among themselves
Sura 48:29

Islam is not about treating everyone equally.  There are two very distinct standards that are applied based on religious status.  Also the word used for ‘hard’ or ‘ruthless’ in this verse shares the same root as the word translated as ‘painful’ or severe’ in verse 16.

Surely Allah loves those who fight in His way.”
Sura 61:4

Religion of Peace, indeed!

“He it is who has sent His Messenger (Mohammed) with guidance and the religion of truth (Islam) to make it victorious over all religions even though the infidels may resist.”
Sura 61:9

“O Prophet! Strive against the disbelievers and the hypocrites, and be stern with them. Hell will be their home, a hapless journey’s end.”
Sura 66:9

The root word of “Jihad” is used again here.  The context is clearly holy war, and the scope of violence is broadened to include “hypocrites” – those who call themselves Muslims but do not act as such.

So, are you convinced now that the god of Islam is not the God of the Bible?  The god of Islam loves war and hatred and death for his cause.  The God of the Bible is a God of Love who has had to order war in the past because of the hardness of the hearts of men.  He doesn’t love war and He certainly doesn’t love hatred and death.  People are martyred for God (of the Bible), but no one HAS TO BE MARTYRED in order to guarantee salvation (See Talking Point #8) and eternal paradise with the Bridegroom.

No matter how you slice it, the god of Islam is a cruel, heartless ex-tenant of Heaven who has lost his position and wants nothing less than to have you lose yours as well.  There is no love in Islam (we’ll talk about wife beatings and honor killings soon) because their god doesn’t know how to love.  Their god knows how to inflict pain and hurt because he is NOT the God of the Bible, and…

Jesus is NOT in the Quran!

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