Talking Point #22 – update to “Talking Point #5 – God, god, and false gods”

This is an update to “Talking Point #5 – God, god, and false gods”.  If you haven’t read that post, you may want to read it (or review it if you have) prior to continuing.

I’ve been working for a couple of years now at exposing the heresy of the “jesus and the Quran” bit out of Snellville, GA.  This heresy tries to teach Muslims that the guy named jesus in the Quran is the True Jesus of the Bible.  Ignoring Truth (literally), they teach that because his name is jesus and because his false god’s name is Allah (which just happens to be the Arabic word for god), and, get this one, because there is only one God, then the god of Islam *must* be the God of the Bible.  NOTHING COULD BE FURTHER FROM THE TRUTH, but they refuse to actually read the Quran and note the incredibly disgusting differences between the writings in the Quran and the writings in the Bible, especially as they pertain to the differences between the two gods.  The god of Islam is not and CANNOT be the God of the Bible, for reasons such as those listed here and elsewhere in this site.

I had a conversation with the leader of the jiQ heresy one day about this subject and he, insisting that the god of Islam must be the God of the Bible, told me that I was “a Greek” because I told him there are other gods mentioned in the Bible.  I explained to him that they are false gods, yet they exist even if only in the minds of those who worship them.  Their existence is “real” to those who want them to be real (see the story of Elijah and the priests of Baal in 1st Kings 18).  But that didn’t resonate with him.  To him, there is only one God and therefore, if the god of Islam is A god, he must be THE God.  Bugs Bunny is rolling on the floor laughing at that one!  But seriously, let’s see what Yehovah God has to say about someone like this.  Now I know this pastor is not claiming to be a prophet, but I think the same warnings apply here as they did when God uttered them in Deuteronomy and Jeremiah:

“When a prophet speaketh in the name of the LORD, if the thing follow not, nor come to pass, that is the thing which the LORD hath not spoken, but the prophet hath spoken it presumptuously: thou shalt not be afraid of him.”
Deuteronomy 18:22

“I have seen also in the prophets of Jerusalem an horrible thing: they commit adultery, and walk in lies: they strengthen also the hands of evildoers, that none doth return from his wickedness: they are all of them unto me as Sodom, and the inhabitants thereof as Gomorrah.”
Jeremiah 23:14

Whether he claims to be a pastor, a prophet, or anything else in service to the King, if he speaks in error as foretold in Jeremiah, walks in lies (as in the jiQ heresy), and strengthens the hands of evildoers, he will be to Yehovah God as Sodom and Gomorrah – quite a hot situation!

For me, it is truly a privilege to serve the True God, Yehovah, of the Bible!  It is a privilege to be given insight to His Word (the Bible) and to learn more and more from Him every day.  And it is also true that He works in mysterious ways.  One of those mysterious ways through which Yehovah continues to give me insight is through feedback from folks reading this site, and I got some very good feedback last week about Talking Point #5 and I want to address it.  Read on – this is good stuff Buddy!

The categories of God and god are clear and to the point (again, if you have not yet read Talking Point #5, please do so now to understand what is being discussed here).  I want to address the category of false gods.  I always lumped other gods into a category of existing only in the minds of those who created them for worship (like a man creating a carved image for his family to worship).  To me these were merely hunks of wood or melted jewelry…false gods with faces that only the one who created them could love.  You can read about these for yourself in Scriptures such as Psalm 115, Psalm 135, Isaiah 37:18-19, and Isaiah 44:9-19.  But I now want to stress the importance of understanding the spiritual presence behind the false gods and what that means to those who worship them.

Even as early as the time of the Exodus we can read of Yehovah’s disdain for the false gods of the Egyptians:

“On that night I will pass through the land of Egypt and strike down every firstborn son and firstborn male animal in the land of Egypt. I will execute judgment against all the gods of Egypt, for I am Yehovah!”
Exodus 12:12

So does this mean that these “gods of Egypt” of which Yehovah is speaking are actually real gods?  Can other gods exist?  No, not at all!  God’s wrath here is pointed to the EGYPTIANS themselves and the hatred that He has for the gods of Egypt is reserved for those worshipping them but also for the demons that propel men into creating the idols – the driving force behind their creation.  Paul tells us about it in 1st Corinthians:

“What am I trying to say? Am I saying that food offered to idols has some significance, or that idols are real gods?  No, not at all. I am saying that these sacrifices are offered to demons, not to God. And I don’t want you to participate with demons.”
1st Corinthians 10:19-20

Paul makes it very clear that demons are involved with the false god worship enacted with these idols.  Yehovah cannot execute His wrath upon a piece of wood!  His wrath is directed at those participating, both in the spiritual and the physical realms!  What we are to learn here is that there is NOTHING that exists that can call itself a god other than the One True God, Yehovah, of the Bible!

Regardless of our understanding of the idol worshipper’s intent with his piece of wood, Scripture makes it clear that he is somehow communicating with other spiritual beings – Paul describes them as “gods many and lords many”.  Read the passage below:

“As concerning therefore the eating of those things that are offered in sacrifice unto idols, we know that an idol is nothing in the world, and that there is none other God but one.  For though there be that are called gods, whether in heaven or in earth, (as there be gods many, and lords many,) But to us there is but one God, the Father, of whom are all things, and we in him; and one Lord Jesus Christ, by whom are all things, and we by him.
1st Corinthians 8:4-6

What Paul means is that there are, IN THE MINDS OF THE IDOL WORSHIPPERS, many gods and many lords, all prompted into worship by demons, and this is exactly the case with the god of Islam.  The god of Islam is not a real god but a figment of man’s imagination prompted by Satan himself into being and crafted into an “almost the same” god as the God of the Bible so as to turn as many away from the Truth as possible (and it is working – even those who call themselves “Christian” are playing into his hands, and, what’s worse, teaching men so (be very careful Buddy)).  No, the god of Islam is, as Paul declares, “nothing in the world”, he is nonexistent and unable to answer even the first calling upon his name.  His very being is an illusion without material substance in all senses.  In fact, he’s a black rock in Mecca!  When was the last time you saw a rock do anything for you other than hold back the mulch in your flowerbeds?  And to think that some find him attractive enough to consider him the same as the God of the Bible…you have to be very unfamiliar with the Bible, or easily able to deny all that it says, to carry that viewpoint.

Back to the point:  we can see the spiritual influence on the world in Scripture, so none of this should come as a surprise.  In Daniel, for example, we read of Michael’s coming to the aid of the angel who visited Daniel as the angel was fighting the prince of Persia and we see the angel’s anticipated battle with the prince of Greece as well:

“But the prince of the kingdom of Persia withstood me one and twenty days: but, lo, Michael, one of the chief princes, came to help me; and I remained there with the kings of Persia. … Then said he, Knowest thou wherefore I come unto thee? and now will I return to fight with the prince of Persia: and when I am gone forth, lo, the prince of Grecia shall come.”
Daniel 10:13, 20

So, to begin summing it up, there is worship of other gods occurring in the world, and those worshipping them believe in their reality as much as I believe in the reality of Yehovah God of the Bible.  Sure, there is only ONE GOD (“…But to us there is but one God, the Father…”), but in this very quote Paul tells us that understanding this is reserved for those of us to whom Yehovah has shown the Truth (Jesus, of the Bible) when he says “But to us…”.  This means that to others, to the lost (even to pastors proudly displaying their sheep’s clothing), the other gods are as real as can be.

There remains one important Old Testament Scripture that proves what we’re talking about.  Let’s turn to Ezekiel 28, where we find Yehovah God directly addressing Satan, or, actually Lucifer, as the king of Tyre:

“Son of man, take up a lamentation upon the king of Tyrus, and say unto him, Thus saith the Lord GOD; Thou sealest up the sum, full of wisdom, and perfect in beauty.  Thou hast been in Eden the garden of God; every precious stone was thy covering, the sardius, topaz, and the diamond, the beryl, the onyx, and the jasper, the sapphire, the emerald, and the carbuncle, and gold: the workmanship of thy tabrets and of thy pipes was prepared in thee in the day that thou wast created.  Thou art the anointed cherub that covereth; and I have set thee so: thou wast upon the holy mountain of God; thou hast walked up and down in the midst of the stones of fire.  Thou wast perfect in thy ways from the day that thou wast created, till iniquity was found in thee.”
Ezekiel 28:12-15

Was Yehovah God talking to the actual king of Tyre?  No!  He was talking to the spiritual presence behind the king and He clearly defines that presence when He says “Thou hast been in Eden the garden of God” and “Thou was perfect…till iniquity was found in thee.” There is no doubt about whom He is speaking – Lucifer.  I can’t get a passage of Scripture any more clear than this passage from Ezekiel that shows a spiritual, demonic presence behind authority figures and/or gods.  And, using Yehovah’s applying the satanic power behind the king of Tyre as an example, we can appreciate the same application to the power behind the god of Islam.  Understanding the power behind Islam helps us understand the capricious nature of their god and the intent on total world submission to eternal damnation.  The god of Islam is nowhere near the character of God of the Bible, and…

Jesus is NOT in the Quran!

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