Special Point #16 – standards of friendship and enmity in Islam

Those teaching/preaching “Chrislam”, in their effort to “de-demonize” the religion political system of Islam, claim that all the “bad” things such as those brought to your attention elsewhere on this site, are things of the past.  If you ask them about things such as the jizyah or taqiyya, they say such things no longer exist or are no longer practiced.  And then there’s the notion of Muslims hating non-Muslims (especially Jews).  What do you think are the possibilities that this is no longer practiced?  Have you seen the news lately?  But don’t base your thoughts only on news stories…listen to the teachers of Islam.

In an article titled “Al-Qaeda Releases ‘Standards Of Friendship And Enmity In Islam’, Declares: ‘Enmity Towards Infidels Is A Must’; Pasted Directly On San Francisco Based Internet Archives”, Al-Sahab, the broadcasting arm of Al-Qaeda, makes it clear how Muslims are to feel about and treat those who are not of Islam.

Here’s the text, followed by a link to the MEMRI host site at the bottom.  He’s speaking the truth as it is understood in Islam!  It’s rare to hear one of them offer the absolute truth, but here it is, and we could only wish that local “Chrislam” supporters would understand the Muslim position regarding infidels as well as this author does.  But he also throws in some taqiyya (such as how the Muslim is the persecuted one).  As you read it, look carefully for the taqiyya (intended with sarcasm – you won’t have to look carefully…the taqiyya will literally jump out at you).  Also notice that he calls for continued violence.  This is also completely within the confines of the unholy Quran.

Al-Qaeda’s broadcasting arm Al-Sahab has released an audio lecture that sets the standards of friendship and enmity with infidels as defined by Islam. The lecture is delivered by Abdul Samad, a militant Pakistani cleric who speaks in Urdu.

The lecture is titled “Standards of Friendship and Enmity in Islam.” It was released through various jihadi forums with a link posted on the U.S.-based website Archive.org. Citing Koranic verses, Abdul Samad says Muslims should never form friendships and relationships with infidels, which is necessary for the success of Muslims in forming unity.

Citing hadiths and Koranic verses, Abdul Samad argues the following points:

i) The most powerful and binding relation is Islam.

ii) The believers, who do not disassociate themselves from nonbelievers and do not distinguish their ranks from people who have interest in worldly things, can never serve Islam effectively.

iii) Our friendship and enmity should only be for Allah’s cause.

iv) Our friendship, relationship and love should only be with the people who believe in Islam and Allah as the ruler.

v) The people, who do not accept Allah as the ruler and do not believe in Islam are our enemy and we should disassociate ourselves from them even if they are our close relatives and from our tribe.

vi) The infidels, whether they are the Jews or Christians, atheists and polytheists, are the real infidels and are the enemies of Allah’s faith (Islam).

vii) The Koran has termed friendship with Kuffar (infidels) as a sign of disunity and unbelief, as it is associated with the foundations of belief.

viii) The people declared by Allah as our enemy can never be our friends.

ix) The non-believers are the enemies of our elderly people, women and children. They kill the Muslims with bombs either in Kashmir, Iraq, or Palestine. There is hardly a day when a Muslim escapes their cruelty.

x) They open several fronts (against Muslims) after entering a region. One of their fronts is education. They used it in the Egypt and Turkey; and they currently use it in Pakistan against the Muslims.

xi) Our enmity towards Hindus is not due to the Kashmir issue; our enmity towards America is not due to Iraq and Afghanistan; the enmity between us and the Jews is not due to the Palestine; the real cause is that they do not accept our system and Islam.

xii) Our enmity towards them (the non-believers) will continue even if they renounce all their crimes.

xiii) Enmity towards infidels is a must. It is part of our faith. Islam says the Muslims should stay away from the infidels and their countries.

xiv) The best way to get rid of them (infidels) is to continue jihad until the Allah’s faith (Islam) is completely enforced all over the world.

There you have it.  If you want to see the original story, go here.  We hope you’ll use this in your educational front for Christians and Jews.  Do not compromise the God of the Bible by comparing Him to the false god of Islam, and don’t look for His Son in the Quran or any other supporting material for Islam.  Remember…

Jesus is NOT in the Quran!

Special Point #15 – marriage and sex in the afterlife

The leaders and teachers of Islam come up with some doosies!  In the following video, this Imam says that Muslim men will receive “up to 19,604 women in Paradise”.  Really?  What will they do with them?  Friends?  Lovers?  What’s the point?  And what do Muslim women get?

In the video below, be sure to note the part about men being joined with their wife in the afterlife (and, of course, the god of Islam allows up to four wives per man and all these relationships continue into the Muslim afterlife).  The continuance of “man and wife (wives)” will be discussed from a Biblical perspective after the video.

Did you catch the part where the guy can’t even get his own teaching material straight?  He said there are four types of women in paradise, then clarifies it back to three.  Ridiculous!  And funny.

Now let’s get serious about what God (of the Bible) tells us.

The Sadducees, trying to trick Yeshua (Jesus of the Bible) into making a mistake with His teachings, approached Him with this subject and asked:

“Teacher, Moses said, ‘If a man dies without children, his brother should marry the widow and have a child who will carry on the brother’s name.’ Well, suppose there were seven brothers. The oldest one married and then died without children, so his brother married the widow. But the second brother also died, and the third brother married her. This continued with all seven of them. Last of all, the woman also died. So tell us, whose wife will she be in the resurrection? For all seven were married to her.” Jesus replied, “Your mistake is that you don’t know the Scriptures, and you don’t know the power of God. For when the dead rise, they will neither marry nor be given in marriage. In this respect they will be like the angels in heaven.”
Matthew 22:24-30

As Jesus told us then, the earthly union of marriage between a man and a woman, which, by the way, the Bible limits to ONE MAN and ONE WOMAN, ends with death.  In fact, two things are of note here:

1) Marriage vows explicitly say “…till death do us part.”

2) The Bible literally mentions men being married to “one wife” several places – see 1st Timothy 3:2, 1st Timothy 3:12, and Titus 1:6.

Jesus’ answer tells us something important:  there will be neither marriage nor procreation (producing children) in Heaven.  How can I determine from that statement that there will be no procreation?  It’s easy – God (of the Bible) gave us the sexual manner of procreation and limited it to the confines of the marriage.  Those who respect the law of God and limit such actions to the confines of the marriage will understand that, once the marriage no longer exists, so neither does the act of sexual relations exist.  Those who regularly take the act outside of the marriage anyway, well…another story altogether.

Notice also the last verse in the above Scripture reference – Jesus compares those who are raised from the dead (the resurrection) to the angels when addressing the notion of marriage and sex.  He is also quoted very similarly in Mark:

“For when the dead rise, they will neither marry nor be given in marriage. In this respect they will be like the angels in heaven.”
Mark 12:25

So why does all of this go away?  Again, the answer is simple.  Those who place their faith and lives into the care of Messiah during this life will live with Him forever!  There will be no more death!  Literally – the death rate will drop in Heaven from 10 out of 10 to zero out of 10!  That should make you feel all warm and fuzzy!

Sex was created by God to for the male and female to come together as “one flesh” (Genesis 2:24) in a covenant marriage relationship exemplary of that of Jesus Christ (of the Bible) and His Bride.  This is, quite frankly, the most intimate relationship possible.  It is also one of the most enjoyable relationships between a man and woman and that is by design, but it isn’t designed to last because there is something even better.  When we get to heaven, there will be no greater joy for us to experience than what we will experience simply by being in the presence of God!  What a day that will be!

Think again about the video you just watched.  Think about the women this guy is speaking of – how much more disrespectful toward those women can he possible be?  He talks about them as though they are NOTHING MORE than sex objects existing to please the men (now that I think about it, why should he think any differently?  This is exactly how Islam views women right now even while we’re all still alive!).  But Jesus (of the Bible) doesn’t give ear to his kind of evil thinking.  He doesn’t view women as sex objects for men.  In fact, He views us all as one right now, even before our deaths.  Paul, speaking about us right now, says::

“There is neither Jew nor Greek, there is neither bond nor free, there is neither male nor female: for ye are all one in Christ Jesus.”
Galatians 3:28

If you’re in Jesus Christ (of the Bible), if you have placed your faith in Him as Lord and Savior, then He already views you as simply, His.  There is no objectification in Him.  What the guy in this video is teaching is simply not of God of the Bible.  It is false teaching as we know that there is no God beside Him (Deuteronomy 4:39) and nothing like this vile message has even been uttered by Him.  No, my friends, this is not for believers of the Truth.  Husbands, love your wives!  Treat them as Jesus (of the Bible) treats the church and respect them.  And don’t look to Islam or the Quran for how you are to think about women, especially in the afterlife, because…

Jesus is NOT in the Quran!

Special Point #14 – flowers for your girlfriend…prepare for a nail in your head

Oh my goodness!  Where do these people get such nonsense?  I’m completely baffled as to why “Christians” would want to hold conferences equating the guy named Isa in the Quran to the Savior Named Jesus Christ in the Bible knowing that the religion political system of Islam calls for things against love like this!  There is NO LOVE in Islam…it is a political system of torture and hatred, as this proves.

Flowers were made by the One True God Who created the universe.  They are arrayed with beauty and splendor and the giving of flowers to one another is a sign of love and peace.  The colors brighten rooms and the scents have been captured for years and used in perfumes and other scented products.  God knew what He was doing when He created flowers and instilled in man the natural desire and love of His creation.  Jesus even referenced them and their beauty:

Look at the lilies and how they grow. They don’t work or make their clothing, yet Solomon in all his glory was not dressed as beautifully as they are.  And if God cares so wonderfully for flowers that are here today and thrown into the fire tomorrow, He will certainly care for you. Why do you have so little faith?”
Luke 12:27-28

To give one of these to a loved one is natural.  Of course, if it relates to love, Islam will most certainly deny it as evil.

This guy says that to give a flower to your girlfriend is forbidden in Islam and, in fact, if you do so, the false god of Islam will drive nails through your head repeatedly for all of eternity.  Listen to this, be amazed as I am at how contrary to the Bible this junk is, and then tell me if this line of thinking could possibly have been given by the loving, caring God of the Bible!

No, this is not Biblical.  This is not of Jesus (of the Bible).  This is just one more proof that…

Jesus is NOT in the Quran!

Special Point #13 – there is no such thing as a moderate Muslim

As we continue to offer proof of the differences between the Muslim and the Christian based on the books of each, it becomes more clear from the Muslim perspective that we are right.  The God of the Bible is not the god of Islam as admitted to by Muslims themselves.  Now they’ve gone one further, claiming that even those who call themselves Muslim are not Muslim if they do not follow (completely) Shariah law.  If they allow some of it be unenforced, well, um…let’s see.

An article released by the Middle East Media Research Institute (MEMRI), titled “Article In Issue III Of English-Language Taliban Magazine ‘Azan’ Declares Modern Muslim Countries ‘Dar-ul-Kufr,’ ‘Dar-ul-Harb,’ Says Conversion Is Fobidden In Islam, ‘Offensive Jihad’ Is Essential To Implement Islamic Sharia Worldwide” makes it clear that the Ummah (body of Muslims) considers it necessary to fully implement Sharia law (one reason we view Islam as a political movement rather than a religion) in order to be considered Muslim.  Here’s an excerpt:

“In its cover story, titled “Destroying the Country Idol,” the latest issue of the jihadi magazine Azan, which is published by the Taliban in Pakistan and Afghanistan, questions the issue of the validity of geographical boundaries of nation states, arguing that such frontiers are invalid in Islam. The article goes on to advance a new understanding of the modern “Muslim country” in which the Islamic sharia is not implemented – claiming that in effect such a country is a land of infidels.

The article, authored by Muhammad Qasim, states: “A land will be Dar-ul-Kufr [land of unbelief] if the laws in it are of the Kuffar [infidels], even if the majority of people are Muslim. And, similarly, a land will be Dar-ul-Islam [land of Islam] if the dominant laws in it are of Islam, even if the majority of the people in it are Kuffar.”

16328The cover of the magazine

Read the full article here:  http://www.memri.org/report/en/0/0/0/0/0/0/7385.htm

It seems that as hard as “Christians” are working to unite Christianity and Islam into “Chrislam”, Muslims are working equally hard to deny that unification.  They know their god is not the same.  They know their law is not the same (which is why they are trying so hard to have it be accepted in courtrooms across the United States).  The Shariah law goes completely contrary to the United States Constitution and does not represent Christian values in any way.

So remember, when you hear Muslims telling the truth about their agenda, as in this very story, keep a copy and share it with your pastor the next time he prays in the name of the god of Islam – even (or especially) if your pastor is famous like Rick Warren, who did this very thing when he presented the inauguration prayer in January, 2009.  Near the end of Warren’s prayer, he prayed, “I humbly ask this in the name of the one who changed my life, Yeshua, Isa, Jesus….” Of course, Isa would have been understood by Muslims, who had already heard him praying to the god of Islam *by name*, to be the Islamic prophet mentioned throughout the Holy Quran.

The world should be leary of pastors like this.  God told us in the Scriptures:

“The priests said not, Where is the LORD? and they that handle the law knew me not: the pastors also transgressed against me, and the prophets prophesied by Baal, and walked after things that do not profit.”
Jeremiah 2:8

Arm yourself with knowledge of God and His Word.  Open the Bible daily to read about Him, but don’t look for Him in the books of Islam, because…

Jesus is NOT in the Quran!

Talking Point #76 – use of the word ‘allah’ by Christians

By the time you’ve gotten through the Talking Points listed at this site that expose the differences between Jesus Christ of the Bible and the guy named jesus in the Quran, you probably know that one of the most-often-used excuses by Christians promoting “Chrislam” is that there are Christians in parts of the world who use the name ‘allah’ when referring to the God of the Bible because that’s the word in their language.  Okay, so those people know no better and they are not committing an offense in my opinion.  In other words, I agree.  This would be a case of “ignorance of the law (just to make the point) *is* an excuse.”

But what about these English-speaking people when they get up and teach and/or pray in English in the company of both Christians and Muslims, and they invoke (literally) the name of allah (of course you know they’re doing it to make the Muslim feel comfortable)?  Are they just as innocent?  I don’t think so.  Why?  Because they have something those whose language uses that word for the word god do not – they have knowledge of a difference.

And that difference is obvious to Muslims in Malaysia.  So much so that they have forbidden Christians, whose native language uses ‘allah’ for ‘god’, to use that word in prayer and teaching/preaching.  Apparently, the Muslims know something about the word that places a special, worshipful attribute to it that they want to only be attributed to their god.


Read this story and then return and complete this Talking Point:


What’s the moral?  Even Muslims agree with what I’ve been telling you here on this site for quite some time now – there is a difference and they no more want us to believe the two gods are the same than I want you to believe that!  Take a stand against Chrislam and its teachings of sameness and recognize that the One True God of the Bible is indeed GOD and that His Son is Savior of the World!  The false god of Islam doesn’t even have a son, and we shouldn’t need more than that to prove our point, but unfortunately, we have to keep going and publish things like this to make our brothers and sisters understand the dangers of the world in which we live.

The word ‘allah’ is not just a word that we should easily overlook and excuse one for using.  The word means the “the god”, or from the worshippers’ perspective, “The God” (I disagree with that, obviously) and that is why we should take a stand against its use in a congregation of those whose allegiance is (supposed to be) to the God of the Bible.  Using it introduces a rival god to the mix, and YHWH, the God of the Bible does not like that:

“I am YHWH: that is my Name: and my glory will I not give to another, neither my praise to graven images.”
Isaiah 42:8

Using the word ‘allah’ (by those who know better) is in direct violation of this assertion.  He alone is God.  He alone is YHWH.  That is His Name and He will share His glory with no one else!  Going into His congregation and calling upon the name of ‘allah’ puts you at risk.  Don’t do it!

This site exists to help the Christian AND THE MUSLIM to dig deeper than the sruface level, to dig deeper and see more than just a word and to look at the characterizations and attributes of Jesus of the Bible and jesus of the Quran and see the differences.  Apparently, in Malaysia, the Muslims don’t want Christians to use the word allah in prayer or teaching as if it relates to the God of the Bible, and they’ve banned it.  They must know something.  And don’t be fooled – those “Christians” here in the United Stated (Rick Warren, Buddy Hoffman, etc.) also know something.  They know the truth and forbid the teaching of it.  They know the differences and yet they continue as if it doesn’t matter.  You, Christian, must know and OBEY the differences.  Call wrong, wrong.

For those who grew up here in the United States and speak English, there is now no excuse, no witness necessity for using the word ‘allah’ in any way.  Even the Muslims recognize the difference, and the Bible certainly tells you not to do this:

“And in all things that I have said unto you be circumspect: and make no mention of the name of other gods, neither let it be heard out of thy mouth.”
Exodus 23:13

So please be careful.  Don’t ignore YHWH’s position as the One True God and inadvertently share some of His glory with a black rock…not even to fit in with the crowd when witnessing.  That black rock god is no god.  He won’t consume the sacrifice when called upon, even if you cut yourself and cry out to him all morning long.  Remember this story about the priests of Baal:

“And they took the bullock which was given them, and they dressed it, and called on the name of Baal from morning even until noon, saying, O Baal, hear us. But there was no voice, nor any that answered. And they leaped upon the altar which was made.  And it came to pass at noon, that Elijah mocked them, and said, Cry aloud: for he is a god; either he is talking, or he is pursuing, or he is in a journey, or peradventure he sleepeth, and must be awaked.  And they cried aloud, and cut themselves after their manner with knives and lancets, till the blood gushed out upon them.  And it came to pass, when midday was past, and they prophesied until the time of the offering of the evening sacrifice, that there was neither voice, nor any to answer, nor any that regarded.”
1st Kings 18:26-29

The word ‘allah’ has only one meaning in English and no setting is acceptable to God for one of His children to use it (I only use it here for academic purposes so that there is no misunderstanding as to which word I’m talking about, and I certainly mean nothing in the way of praise).  The messengers for that god are dead.  In fact, so is that god.  That god doesn’t have a son and that’s exactly why when you study their book you’ll find that…

Jesus is NOT in the Quran!

Special Point #12 – physician’s letter outlines Muslim murderous rage in Egypt

As of the time of putting this post together, Egypt is falling apart.  The Muslim Brotherhood is being run out of the country (hopefully) and rage is happening on the street.  No country’s civil war (which this is beginning to look like) will ever be pretty, but what’s happening in Egypt at the hands of the retaliating Brotherhood is downright disgusting.  Christians, not even a part of what is going on, are being tortured and killed, to include little children.

It’s a shame, and it’s also prophesied.  You should read Isaiah chapter 19.  Here’s the beginning…read the rest as soon as you can.

“The burden of Egypt. Behold, the LORD rideth upon a swift cloud, and shall come into Egypt: and the idols of Egypt shall be moved at his presence, and the heart of Egypt shall melt in the midst of it. And I will set the Egyptians against the Egyptians: and they shall fight every one against his brother, and every one against his neighbour; city against city, and kingdom against kingdom. And the spirit of Egypt shall fail in the midst thereof; and I will destroy the counsel thereof: and they shall seek to the idols, and to the charmers, and to them that have familiar spirits, and to the wizards. And the Egyptians will I give over into the hand of a cruel lord; and a fierce king shall rule over them, saith the Lord, the LORD of hosts.”
Isaiah 19:1-4

But more to the point.  In the middle of it all, an Egyptian physician has written a letter that details his thoughts on the violence happening there and he compares it to the way the Western media has presented it (the Western media is probably the one reason you knew so little about the violence in Egypt prior to reading this).  Below is his letter, unedited.  It’s a long read but well worth the 3 minutes it may take you.

The reason it’s posted here should be obvious:  the Western media and the Western church seem to have one goal in common – deny the obvious evil behind the religion political system of Islam!  Seminars with scary misgivings such as the “Jesus and the Quran” heresy in Snellville, GA, should be ashamed of themselves for painting Islam in *any* light other than the evil, satanic-driven political system that it is.  You can call Islam what it truly is according to its writings AND its modern-day scholars while at the same time reaching out to those within it who the Spirit of the One True God has called into His service.  There is no need for compromise; there is no need to lie to either the Christian or the Muslim in working His service – He will call into His service those who have ears to hear and eyes to see!

Now on to the letter.  The following is a direct copy/paste as the letter was received.  Enjoy his truthful presentation of what is happening in Egypt:

Dear friends

As a human being and a physician, I categorically and unconditionally deplore all killing. As a father, my heart goes out to all those who lost sons and daughters in Egypt’s violence today and since the uprising of June 30.

Nevertheless, in the middle of a frenzy of Western politicians and Western media consistently presenting only one side — the Islamists’ — I could not let this day pass without sharing some thoughts and some truths. For the last six weeks since the overthrow of Mohammed Morsi, the Western media consistently portrayed the sit-ins that paralyzed Cairo and other parts of Egypt as sit-ins by “peaceful demonstrators”. As mayhem broke out throughout Egypt today, they conveniently ignored what was happening in the rest of the country to focus on those “peaceful demonstrators.”

Peaceful demonstrators??

Peaceful demonstrators do not have the capacity to kill more than 47 police personnel documented by name, rank, and serial number in a few hours.

Peaceful demonstrators do not attack the Kerdasa (neighborhood close to the pyramids) police station with rocket-propelled grenades, kill the station’s police officers, strip them of their clothes, and drag their bodies down the street.

Peaceful demonstrators do not threaten Christians with genocide as was called for by many of their leaders over the last six weeks, and as documented by multiple videos available on YouTube and other outlets.

Peaceful demonstrators do not raise the black flags of Al Qaeda over their sit-ins and marches and take pride in the likes of Bin Laden and Zawahiri.

Peaceful demonstrators do not attack more than 45 Christian installations, burn 19 churches and cathedrals, some several hundred years old, to the ground in less than 12 hours, destroy millions of dollars worth of Christians’ homes, businesses, and property, and threaten the entire Egyptian Christian population with annihilation.

Peaceful demonstrators do no call for the return of a fascist president who only days before presided over a 2-hour orgy of hate speech by his imams, calling Shia Muslims filth worthy of extermination, only to see that actually take place 2 days later in the public lynching of 5 Egyptian Shia Muslims in broad daylight.

Peaceful demonstrators do not defend a fascist who purposefully let thousands of terrorists back into Egypt from Afghanistan, Pakistan, and Iraq to establish an Islamic Emirate in the Sinai and kill Egyptian army personnel and civilians on a daily basis.

Peaceful demonstrators do not put their children in the face of danger and brag that they are ready to see them die for the Islamist cause.

How much of that has the Western media reported today??

The Muslim Brotherhood and their jihadist allies have never known and will never know peace. Those who live by the sword will die by the sword. Prior to Morsi’s election, they publicly declared that they will burn Egypt down if their man does not win. These terrorists, who have been proven liars at every step in the political process, are finally making good on one promise — destroying the country if they can’t subjugate it.

This Muslim Brotherhood is an international terrorist organization. Their masquerade of moderateness has fallen apart with the events in Egypt. You should all be aware that this terrorist organization exists not only in Egypt or the Middle East or the Islamic world, but also right here in Canada and the US. It exists legally, and has managed to gain the sympathy and alliance of the United States Government, as well as many other Western governments, as we have seen in all the statements over the last six weeks.

I implore you to educate yourself about this, and to consider contacting your congressman, senator, or member of parliament. Confront them with the facts, and ask them to declare the Muslim Brotherhood and all other Islamist political movements what they are — FASCISTS and TERRORISTS.

Associate Professor of Pediatric Surgery, Surgery, and Pediatrics
Director; Division of Pediatric General and Thoracic Surgery
Associate Chair for Education & Departmental Citizenship
Department of Pediatric Surgery
McGill University Faculty of Medicine
Montreal Children’s Hospital
McGill University Health Center

Jesus is NOT in the Quran!

Special Point #11 – million muslim march planned for anniversary of attack on America

If  you don’t, or just don’t want to, believe us about the truth about the Islamic religion political system, then hopefully you’ll believe a Muslim who speaks the truth about it.

The video posted below is about the upcoming “Million Muslim March” (which I understand is changing its name to “Million American March”)  scheduled for, you guessed it, September 11, 2013 (and probably each year thereafter so we’ll just leave this up) for them to act up about the bad reception of Muslims in America!  Well, you attacked us!  This taqiyya is about as underhanded as changing the name of your seminar from “Jesus in the Quran” to “Jesus AND the Quran” – still the same false content under a new name designed to trick the Christian that doesn’t read his Bible.

Muslims are not the problem – Islam is.  Muslims that read the Quran and follow the false, lying god of Islam to the point that they hate Jews and Christians are not our friends!  They have no intentions other than showing domination over an area they attacked and now own (the same reason behind the “Ground Zero Mosque”).  We cannot allow that.  Our stance has nothing to do with hurting anyone’s feelings; it has to do with being a strong Christian, aware of the enemy (Satan) and his bids to destroy us:

“The thief cometh not, but for to steal, and to kill, and to destroy: I am come that they might have life, and that they might have it more abundantly.”
John 10:10

The “thief” proclaimed here by Jesus (of the Bible) is none other than Satan, the power behind Islam today.

But the informed Christian can know better than to accept the taqiyya spewed by these people.  Please watch the short video below, find the lies for yourself, then get on your knees and thank God (of the Bible) for your ability to know better.  Then stand strong for Him!!

Above all, remember that…

Jesus is NOT in the Quran!

Talking Point #75 – all prophets are sinless in Islam

Who is the only sinless man ever to have lived?

A Pastor to whom I love to listen once quipped a story about salvation and sinlessness that exposes the absurdity of the idea of our ability to go through life without sinning.  He said that if you could make it through your entire life without ever having sinned, you could, upon your death, arrive in Heaven and pronounce proudly, “Move over…now there are two of us!”  I’m not going to bet on that happening…

So Who is the only sinless man ever to have lived?  You know Him – His Name is Jesus (of the Bible).  But did you know that Islam also attributes sinlessness to all the other prophets (including, of course, the lying, stealing, pedophile Mohammad).  Sometimes, just looking at the silly writings that make up the foundation of Islam can lead one to understanding the falsehood contained within.  Let’s do some of that now.  The following information was gathered from numerous Islamic sources and presented in a format similar to that originally offered to retain integrity of the information.  References are given throughout, so please do your own research, using this only as a kick-start!  If  you don’t recognize the references, copy/paste them into a search engine to discover their relevance to the false religion political system of Islam.

Question: Do prophets not commit sins? That is, are they sinless?
Answer: Being innocent, impeccable, and sinless is peculiar to prophets. (Maraj-ul-bahran)

Every prophet is immune from all kinds of sins, be they grave or venial. (Riyâd-un-nâsihîn)

Prophets are immune from, free of committing sins. They cannot commit sins. (Maktûbât-i Rabbânî, Vol. II, Letter 44)

Imâm-i Ghazâlî writes in his work Rawdâ-tut-tâlibîn:  It is established by consensus (ijmâ’) that the Messenger of Allah is free of committing grave sins, venial sins, and makrûhs. It is also established by consensus that he is free of forgetfulness, negligence, and making a mistake and erring in the messages he conveys.

Who is considered the “messenger of the god of Islam”?  Mohammad.  In Talking Point #48 I discuss how one converts to Islam merely be repeating a phrase three times (again, a religion political system of works and repetition and not one based on faith), a part of which declares that Mohammad is this messenger.  Continuing…

That it is allowable and possible for him to err in the messages he communicates is conditional upon his realizing it immediately and thus not keeping the error going. This, in turn, is committed in order for wisdom behind what he does to come out into the open and in order to make known the benefit derived from forgetting. The reason for Allah’s Messenger’s committing an error in this regard is to teach knowledge and explain the religion. As a matter of fact, he relates in a hadîth-i sharîf, “I do not forget or err in any matter. If such a thing issues from me, it is simply because I can explain what I want to communicate.”

In the Bible, in the Book of James, we find that the act of committing even the smallest of sins constitutes commission of ALL sins, or, in other words, transgressing of all of the law:

For whosoever shall keep the whole law, and yet offend in one point, he is guilty of all.”
James 2:10

So think about that when considering the committing of sin, regardless of how small you may perceive it.

This state is not a defect on the part of him. Rather, it is meant to broaden tablîgh (communication) and to complete the blessing. All Muslim Sufis and scholars with spiritual knowledge state that it is impossible for him to err, to forget, and to display negligence or laxity except with a view to communicating something, elaborating the rulings in his actions, declaring the religious commandments, and telling the messages of Revelation coming to his heart.

Hadrat Qâdi ‘Iyâd writes in his book entitled Shifâ-i sharîf:
“Those who considered small sins allowable for prophets based their argument on the outward meanings of many âyât and ahâdîth. This act of theirs gave way to regarding grave sins as permissible, disintegrating the consensus (ijmâ’), and uttering such things not befitting a Muslim to utter.

As it is understood from all these citations, prophets do not commit grave or venial sins. They can commit a dhalla. But a dhalla is not a sin. It is not to do what is the best and the most preferable but to opt for what is meritorious. (Riyâd-un-nâsihîn)

A verse of Fath Sûra, addressing the Prophet ‘alaihis-salâm, declares, “Allah forgave your past and future sins. He completed His blessing on you and guided you to the right path.” With this verse Allahu ta’âlâ holds His Honorable Messenger far from any imperfection and proclaims his being sinless. (Shifâ-i sharîf)

Some Islamic scholars explained this verse as follows:
(Allahu ta’âlâ protected you from committing sins in the past and in the future.)

Now, as you read what follows, keep in mind that Ibrahim and Ismail are the Arabic transliterations of Abraham and Ishmael.  Also keep in mind something very important – both lived HUNDREDS of years before the existence of Islam.  This is a form of taqiyya, the deliberate act of lying to promote the cause of Islam.  Abraham served the God of the Bible and that God only!  So did his son, Isaac.  Of course, Islamists don’t recognize Isaac but they swear by Ishmael (to the point even of saying that it was him who was offered in Genesis 22 and not Isaac).  Paul disagrees and tells us directly that it was Isaac who was offered and through whom the promise comes, not Ishmael.

“By faith Abraham, when he was tried, offered up Isaac: and he that had received the promises offered up his only begotten son, Of whom it was said, That in Isaac shall thy seed be called: ”
Hebrews 11:17-18

The other problem with what follows is that NOWHERE is Ishmael called a prophet in the Bible, yet Abraham was truly a prophet of God.  Know your Bible!

“And Abraham said of Sarah his wife, She is my sister: and Abimelech king of Gerar sent, and took Sarah.  But God came to Abimelech in a dream by night, and said to him, Behold, thou art but a dead man, for the woman which thou hast taken; for she is a man’s wife.  But Abimelech had not come near her: and he said, Lord, wilt thou slay also a righteous nation? Said he not unto me, She is my sister? and she, even she herself said, He is my brother: in the integrity of my heart and innocency of my hands have I done this.  And God said unto him in a dream, Yea, I know that thou didst this in the integrity of thy heart; for I also withheld thee from sinning against me: therefore suffered I thee not to touch her.  Now therefore restore the man his wife; for he is a prophet, and he shall pray for thee, and thou shalt live: and if thou restore her not, know thou that thou shalt surely die, thou, and all that are thine.”
Genesis 20:2-7

Let’s continue with more…

Question: The 128th verse of Baqara Sûra says that the Prophet Ibrâhîm and the Prophet Ismâil prayed as, “O Rabb! Accept our repentance.” The 121st verse of Tâhâ Sûra says, “Âdam disobeyed his Rabb.” Also, the 15th verse of Qasas Sûra says that Hadrat Mûsâ killed one of two people who were fighting, and the 16th verse of the same sûra states that Hadrat Mûsa said, “O my Rabb! I have wronged myself; forgive me.” Again, the 74th verse of Kahf Sûra says that Hadrat Mûsâ’s friend killed an innocent child. Do these cases not bear witness to prophets’ committing sins?
Islam cannot be learned from Qur’ân translations. On the contrary, one may develop such wrong thoughts. Islam can be learned only from correctly written ‘ilm-i hâl books.

Allahu ta’âlâ protected prophets from committing sins both before and after they were informed of their prophethood. (Nuhbat-ul-laâli)

Prophets had been protected from committing sins before they were informed of their prophethood as well. (Al-Millat-ul mashhûra by Qâdi ‘Iyâd)

The purport of the verse related to Ibrâhîm and Ismâil ‘alaihimus-salâm is as follows:
([Ibrâhîm and Ismâil said] O our Rabb! Make us fixed in being Muslims, and raise from our descendants a Muslim community. Teach us our manâsik [rites of hajj]. Accept our repentance, for the One who accepts repentance and who is merciful is only You.) [Sûrat-ul-Baqara, 128]

Prophets are protected from commission of sins. After Hadrat Ibrâhîm and Hadrat Ismâil had built the Ka’ba, they prayed as such in order to teach that the prayers and repentance made at these places would be accepted much more. It means, “Render our immunity [our not committing sins] continuous” (Qurtubî).

Hadrat Imâm-i Rabbânî declares:
We should not think that the sins of the beloved are like the sins of enemies. “What the good look on as doing good is sinning to the beloved” has been said. Their sins and faults, if they have, are unlike others’ sins. They are similar to erring or forgetting. They have not been committed on purpose, by intent. The 115th verse of Tâhâ Sûra, which purports, “Âdam forgot. He did not commit intentionally, deliberately,” indicates this fact.

If you didn’t believe me before about Abraham and Ishmael existing hundreds of years prior to the existence of Islam, how about Adam?  Do you think HE existed prior to Islam?  Well, the fact is, the god of Islam, or, at least, the evil power behind the god of Islam, was there in the garden, but the God that was present was the God of the Bible – Satan had not yet, prior to the eating of the forbidden fruit, been given ownership of the land.  But look what Islam does with Adam.  He is called Hadrat Adam below, and the reference to Musa is, can you guess it?  Moses!  How in the world does Islam manage to get Adam and Moses into the same sentence, into the same time such that they can speak to one another, and still keep a straight face?  It’s very much akin to the Islamic claim that jesus’ (of the Quran) mother was Miriam, the sister of Aaron (the brother of Moses, also hundreds of years before the incarnation of Jesus (of the Bible) into the world that He created!)  Also, the reference to Iblis is to either an angelic guard of the garden of paradise or to the devil (I can find arguments for both).  Go figure…even when the lies are right there in black-and-white, people refuse to see it and simply go along with it.  Look at this, remembering taqiyaa and that the god of Islam is the greatest deceiver of all (Quran, Sura 3:54, 8:30)

This means to say that Hadrat Âdam did not mean to commit a sin. He perpetrated it not on purpose but by forgetting and in error. Therefore, he was pardoned. On the other hand, Iblîs did it deliberately and purposely, thus being cursed eternally. Both cases contained a contravention of the command. But one of them related to forgetting and erring while the other related to doing it purposely and intentionally.

The information in Tafsîr-i Qurtubî concerning Hadrat Mûsâ’s killing the Egyptian is as follows:
1. Hadrat Mûsâ was 12 years old then.
2. He intervened in two people so as to break up the fight. The Egyptian died when Hadrat Mûsâ pushed him away lightly.
3. Hadrat Mûsâ did not have intent to kill someone in this event. It took place inadvertently, that is, accidentally. Notwithstanding it, he begged Allahu ta’âlâ’s pardon for it. Allah, in turn, forgave him.

Hizir ‘alaihis-salâm, who was in Hadrat Mûsâ’s company, killed the innocent child by order of Allah. It was told that the child concerned would be a disbeliever when he grew up and would persecute his parents. Therefore, he was killed in order for Allah to grant a good child in place of him. It was not Hadrat Hizir who was at fault in this happening.

How about prophet worship of the moon?  In the following account of Abraham’s worship, the term “Rabb” means simply Lord, Sustainer, Cherisher, Master.  Keep that in mind as you read (in other words, remember that Abraham’s God was the God of the Bible, but the lying Islamic viewpoint is that it was the god of Islam…a religion political system that didn’t even exist at the time).  It all stems from a few verses in the Quran which are questioned below.  Here’s the text:

“And when Abraham said to his father Azar, ‘Takest thou idols for gods? I see thee, and thy people, in manifest error.’ So We were showing Abraham the kingdom of the heavens and earth, that he might be of those having sure faith. When night outspread over him he saw a star and said, ‘This is my Lord.’ But when it set he said, ‘I love not the setters.’ When he saw the moon rising, he said, ‘This is my Lord.’ But when it set he said, ‘If my Lord does not guide me I shall surely be of the people gone astray.’ When he saw the sun rising, he said, ‘This is my Lord; this is greater!’ But when it set he said, ‘O my people, surely I am quit of that you associate. I have turned my face to Him who originated the heavens and the earth, a man of pure faith; I am not of the idolaters.’ His people disputed with him. He said, ‘Do you dispute with me concerning God, and He has guided me? I fear not what you associate with Him, except my Lord will aught. My Lord embraces all things in His knowledge; will you not remember? How should I fear what you have associated, seeing you fear not that you have associated with God that whereon He has not sent down on you any authority?’ Which of the two parties has better title to security, if you have any knowledge? Those who believe, and have not confounded their belief with evildoing — to them belongs the true security; they are rightly guided.
Sura 6:74-82

And here is the discussion:

Question: Though it is a known fact that prophets do not commit sins even before they are informed of their prophethood, why is it written in the Qur’ân’s translations that Hadrat Ibrâhîm said, “This is my Rabb,” meaning the star, the moon, and the sun?
No prophet commits any sin, attributing a partner to Allahu ta’âlâ in particular, even before he starts to communicate his prophethood. He does not say, “The sun is my Rabb,” as polytheists do. It is purported in the Qur’ân al-karîm:
(Ibrâhîm [Abraham] was neither a Jew nor a Christian. He was an upright Muslim, who truly knew Allah. He was not one of the polytheists, either.) [Sûrat-u Âl-i ‘Imrân, 67]

(Verily, before this, We gave rushd [guidance before he reached puberty] to Ibrâhîm as well. We knew [that he was fit for and worthy of it].) [Sûrat-ul-Anbiyâ’, 51]

These Qur’anic verses testify that Ibrâhîm ‘alaihis-salâm had been on true guidance even before he reached puberty, too. (Baydâwî)

When this is the case, to say that Ibrâhîm ‘alaihis-salâm worshiped the star, the moon, and the sun means not understanding the statements in the Qur’ân al-karîm. Nearly all translations and explanations state that he said, “This is my Rabb,” meaning the star, the moon, and the sun. No gloss is given for it at all. Hence, it is not possible to learn such branches of knowledge as Islamic jurisprudence and Islamic creed from the translations of the Qur’ân al-karîm.

In Tafsîr-i Mazhari, the explanations provided for the verses from 76th to 79th of the An’âm Sûra are as follows:
By pointing to stars, the moon, and the sun and by saying, “Is it my Rabb?” Ibrâhîm ‘alaihis-salâm wanted to silence those who worshiped them. The same is written in Shaikhzâda’s annotation to the tafsîr of Baydâwî.

In Tibyân, it is rendered as, “I wonder if this is my Rabb?” This rendition, too, contains an element of doubt. But the four explanations it quotes from tafsîr books are as in the following:

1. Ibrâhîm ‘alaihis-salâm said so in order to express the polytheists’ ignorance.

2. He meant to say, “Can such a thing be a Rabb? Is my Rabb this?” in order to reproach polytheists for what they were doing and teach them the truth.

3. He meant to say, “This is my Rabb in your opinion?” in order to bring proof against the polytheists.

4. He meant to say, “My tribe says that this is my Rabb.”

All these four explanations clearly show that Hadrat Ibrâhîm did not say, “This is my Rabb,” meaning stars, the moon, or the sun; that is, he did not become one of the polytheists. To declare the moon or the sun to be one’s Rabb is an act of polytheism. Prophets never commit a sin, let alone an act of polytheism. (Farâid)

Furthermore, on the basis of the 260th verse of Baqara Sûra, which purports, “When Ibrâhîm said, ‘O my Rabb! Show me how You give life to the dead,’ He said, ‘Do you not believe?’ Ibrâhîm said, ‘I believe, but I wanted to see it to satisfy my heart,’” some deviant people claim that Hadrat Ibrâhîm was doubtful about Allah’s creating. But the matter has been clarified with the verses above that Ibrâhîm ‘alaihis-salâm was an upright Muslim who was on true guidance before his puberty as well. Despite this, to utter such a claim means, if it is not out of ignorance, harboring an ulterior motive.

As Hadrat Ibrâhîm comes under such attacks, in a similar way, followers of Ibn Saba speak ill of Hadrat ‘Umar, one of the two pupils of the eye of Islam, saying, “’Umar doubted Rasûlullah’s prophethood at Hudaybiya.” At that place Hadrat ‘Umar, just like Hadrat Ibrâhîm, in order to make manifest his submission to Allah and His Messenger, uttered some sayings which purported, “O Messenger of Allah! Aren’t you Allah’s Prophet? Aren’t we on the right way and disbelievers on the wrong?” They attack him for these words of his. All Ahl as-Sunnah scholars state that by these statements Hadrat ‘Umar meant to say, “O Messenger of Allah! You are, without any doubt, Allah’s Messenger. Our way is certainly right while disbelievers’ is wrong. No concession has been made in this treaty, which is, prima facie, against our interests. (Kurrat-ul-‘aynayn)

It is understood from these how erroneous and harmful those books named Qur’ân’s translations are. It is not possible for us to learn such necessary knowledge as kalâm, fiqh, and tasawwuf from the books called Qur’ân’s translations. It is not even possible for us to understand them from authentic and dependable tafsîrs. We should learn the necessary Islamic knowledge from ‘ilm-i hâl books based on naql (transmission).

Reality of the beginnings of Islam prove that it can indeed be tied to worship of the moon, however.  This is evident even at the lowest and easiest levels to accept – look at their crescent moon symbol upheld by Islam to this day!  Archaeologists have dug up numerous statues and hieroglyphic inscriptions in which a crescent moon was seated on top of the head of the deity to symbolize the worship of the moon god in much the same fashion as the sun is pictured above an Egyptian deity.  Here’s an example of the crescent moon symbol:

moonNow that you’ve seen it here, you’ll see it everywhere.  And it’s not just a symbol they happen to like.  It’s grounded in their history.  Technically, this is outside of the scope of this Talking Point, so I’ll leave it to you to do your own research here too.  Just search for Islam and moon god – you’ll be greeted with more results than you can count.

And, finally, directly to the “sinless” nature of prophets (remember, not just Jesus (of the Bible), but all prophets):

Question: It is stated that prophets are sinless. However, is it not a sin that Âdam ‘alaihis-salâm ate from the forbidden fruit?
Yes, prophets do not commit sins, but they may commit a dhalla. Dhalla means a failure in finding the truest one among many true things. Âdam ‘alaihis-salâm did not eat from the prohibited fruit deliberately. Because he ate it by forgetting, he was held excusable. The 115th âyah (verse) of Tâhâ Sûra, which purports, “Âdam forgot; he did not do it intentionally, deliberately,” shows that Âdam ‘alaihis-salâm is excusable and sinless. The following hadîth-i sharîf, too, confirms that Âdam ‘alaihis-salâm is deemed excusable:

(Âdam alaihis-salâm discussed with Mûsâ ‘alaihis-salâm in the presence of their Rabb, and Âdam ‘alaihis-salâm won a victory over Mûsâ ‘alaihis-salâm. Mûsâ ‘alaihis-salâm said:

“You are such an Âdam that Allahu ta’âlâ created you with His two hands [that is, without any means], blew from His spirit to you, made angels prostrate before you, and put you in Paradise. And then you caused humans to be sent to the earth because of your one fault.”

Âdam ‘alaihis-salâm said to him:

“You are such a Mûsâ that Allahu ta’âlâ appointed you as a prophet and permitted you to talk to Himself. He gave you a Book which contained explanations for you about everything. By means of your talking to Him and by means of your praying Him, He made you closer to Himself. Then you surely saw how long before my creation He wrote the Tawrât, didn’t you?”

“Yes, I saw. It was 40 years before.”

“O Mûsâ! Did you also see there the statement, ‘Âdam made a mistake’”?

“I saw.”

“Then how do you blame me for my commission of a deed which Allah had written 40 years before He created me that I would commit it?”

Thus, Âdam ‘alaihis-salâm achieved a victory against Mûsâ ‘alaihis-salâm.) [Bukhârî, Muslim]

The reality of what Adam did is much more than as presented from the Islamic point of view above.  Their take on his actions is so disgustingly deceptive that it will drive many away from the True God of the Bible and into the arms of a painful eternity away from Him.  The truth of Adam’s actions are much more than you just read.  Ready?  Let’s go!

Adam was a type of Christ.  “What’s a type,” you ask?  A type is a model, an example, a pre-figuring if you will.  In other words, by looking at the actions of Adam, you can pre-figure, or see, the actions of Jesus (of the Bible).  Adam is perhaps the most recognized type in the Bible.  He’s called the “first Adam” and Jesus is called the “last Adam.”  And by your knowing that Adam is a representation of Jesus and that his actions are a representation of Jesus’ later actions, you can put things together like puzzle pieces.  If you haven’t heard this before, sit down before reading as you learn the depth that a true understanding of God’s Word will give you.

So, Adam and Eve were told not to eat of the forbidden fruit:

“And the LORD God commanded the man, saying, Of every tree of the garden thou mayest freely eat: But of the tree of the knowledge of good and evil, thou shalt not eat of it: for in the day that thou eatest thereof thou shalt surely die.”
Genesis 2:16-17

But Eve, choosing to listen to the serpent rather than God, did so:

“Now the serpent was more subtil than any beast of the field which the LORD God had made. And he said unto the woman, Yea, hath God said, Ye shall not eat of every tree of the garden?  And the woman said unto the serpent, We may eat of the fruit of the trees of the garden: But of the fruit of the tree which is in the midst of the garden, God hath said, Ye shall not eat of it, neither shall ye touch it, lest ye die.  And the serpent said unto the woman, Ye shall not surely die: For God doth know that in the day ye eat thereof, then your eyes shall be opened, and ye shall be as gods, knowing good and evil.  And when the woman saw that the tree was good for food, and that it was pleasant to the eyes, and a tree to be desired to make one wise, she took of the fruit thereof, and did eat, and gave also unto her husband with her; and he did eat.”
Genesis 3:1-6

Recall that the Islamist point of view is that Adam did not eat of the fruit deliberately but did so by forgetting.  Reality is much more.

The last verse presented above says that she “…gave also unto her husband with her; and he did eat.”  Do you think that Adam, receiving this fruit from Eve, did not eat deliberately?  Do you think that, after having been given access to EVERY TREE in the garden and being denied ONLY ONE, that he forgot about that command to avoid it?  Of course you don’t believe that, it’s an absurd claim.  So what was his motivation?

Remember that his actions were indicative of the actions of Jesus many years later.  What did Jesus do for you?  I mean, what was His most important accomplishment for you?

Jesus died for you!  And He chose to do so, so that He could spend eternity with you!

Jesus could have called on thousands of angels to come and take Him off the cross, but He didn’t.  He chose to remain, to fulfill the Father’s plan of redemption.  Put as plainly as I know how to put it, He chose to die for your sins to enable you to have redemption rather than spend eternity without you!  He would rather die, to give up his own life, knowing the impact that would have on all of our eternal state, than to selfishly allow you to die in your sins.

He would rather die to be with you than to live and spend eternity without you.

How does that expose the nature of Adam’s actions?  It shows that he made a decision, that he did indeed eat the fruit deliberately, and that he did not forget about the command.  He knew fully well that God’s direction was “for in the day that thou eatest thereof thou shalt surely die.” He ate it anyway.

You see, once Adam knew that Eve had eaten of the forbidden fruit, he still had a chance to avoid it.  But he also knew God to be a God of His Word and that, therefore, Eve was going to die.  He was faced with the same decision with which Jesus would later be faced – to not eat and live forever without Eve, or to eat, die, and be with her for eternity.  Jesus told us

“This is my commandment, That ye love one another, as I have loved you.  Greater love hath no man than this, that a man lay down his life for his friends.”
John 15:12-13

What do you think now?  Did Adam make a mistake?  If his actions were exemplary of Jesus’ later actions, if he was to prove himself a type of Jesus, then doing this any differently would have broken the pattern.  Instead, his actions showed, no, they PROVED, his love for Eve.  They proved that he wanted to be with her, not for physical reasons, but for loving reasons, to fulfill the role of the husband and protector and to have, literally, an eternal relationship.  His actions were the same as those of Jesus.  He did it deliberately and he did it out of love – a love that cannot be topped.

So, we’ve talked for quite a while now about the sinless nature of prophets.  We saw the prophet Abraham and made our way to Adam, for both of whom we have offered Biblical quotes that show the outright disobedience to God’s Word (Abraham lied about Sarah being his sister (although, technically, she really was, but it was a lie in the sense that it didn’t tell the whole story), and we saw Adam directly disobey God’s order about eating the fruit).

Sinless prohets?  I don’t think so.  To think so would denigrate the uniqueness of Jesus (of the Bible).  There has only been One who walked this earth for 33 years without sinning.  Only One could do so in order to set the Way to eternity for you and me.  Only One is Jesus, and you can find Him on every page of the Bible.  You won’t find Him anywhere else, and especially remember that…

Jesus is NOT in the Quran!

Special Point #10 – women in Islam jailed for being raped

Recently, a 25-year-old Norwegian woman was on a business trip in Dubai. She was raped and reported the incident to the police. At the station, police took her passport and jailed her. She will now serve 16 months for illicit sex outside marriage.

It’s only fair, isn’t it?

Trust me when I say that the God of the Bible does not condone this treatment of women (neither the rape nor the punishment for the rape).  Yet Islamists hold her accountable citing their god and their perverted Quran and Sharia law as authority to do so.

I can hear people refuting me – “No, they don’t do that any more.”  Really?  Here’s a list of many other recent stories that I got from Jihad Watch:

We have seen a Muslim rape victim ostracized in India; the charging of a rape victim in Pakistan with adultery; Islamic clerics in Pakistan opposing attempts to end the equating of rape with adultery; a rape victim marrying her attacker in order to avoid being shunned; another rape victim converting to Islam in order to marry her attacker for the same reason; the sentencing of a victim of gang rape in Saudi Arabia to 200 lashes; the sentencing of another victim of gang-rape, a pregnant woman, to 100 lashes; the stoning of a rape victim in Somalia; nine-year-old rape victims in Iran rejected by their families and living on the streets; a Muslim rape victim in India ordered by Islamic clerics to leave her husband; a rape victim in Jordan murdered by her uncle to cleanse the family’s honor; and on and on.

This is not a unique story, and it is not unique to the region.  Under UAE law, rapists can only be convicted if either the perpetrator confesses or if four adult Muslim males witness the crime.  How often do you think that happens?

All of you who support the notion of Chrislam and “Jesus and the Quran”, <begin sarcasm> yeah, sure, we all serve the same god <end sarcasm>.

For more on the treatment of women in Islam, see Talking Point #19, Talking Point #20, Talking Point #31, and Talking Point #40.

Jesus is NOT in the Quran!

Talking Point #74 – Jesus (of the Bible) is God and Savior (update to Talking Point #69)

Talking Point #69, titled “jesus (of the Quran) is not God”, does a great job of detailing how the Quran quite literally goes out of its way to ensure that its reader doesn’t get the notion that the guy named jesus (Isa) is God (he isn’t the God of the Bible and he isn’t even the false, lying god of Islam).  There is no doubt left after reading this Talking Point and the ones that preceded it that jesus in the Quran is a messenger – nothing more.

The Quran even goes so far as to call him the messiah, but you must also know that that word, used by Islamists about the guy in the Quran, in NO WAY refers to the Messiah, Jesus Christ of the Bible.  Messiah, as used in the Quran, is itself nothing more than messenger and the Quran tells on itself in the same verses (ayat) in which it referes to the messiah:

“O People of the Scripture! Do not exaggerate in your religion nor utter aught concerning Allah save the truth. The Messiah, Jesus son of Mary, was only a messenger of Allah, and His word which He conveyed unto Mary, and a spirit from Him. So believe in Allah and His messengers,”
Sura 4:171 (see also Talking Point #2 about this topic)

The Messiah, son of Mary, was no other than a messenger, messengers (the like of whom) had passed away before him. …”
Sura 5:75

So don’t get confused, and certainly don’t let a taqiyya-wielding Muslim throw you off base.  The Quran itself designated their jesus as no more than a messenger.  In other words, he wasnt’ special at all.  He was “just another messenger.”  And now he’s dead.

I don’t believe that about Jesus Christ (of the Bible)!  Plenty of churches in America today are buying this “jesus in the Quran” and “Chrislam” crap.  Rick Warren, of Saddleback church in California, works “Chrislam” into events to promote his “Kings Way” program aimed at inbreeding the fact that we all serve the same god – part of this is citing Biblicial and Quranic quotes side-by-side in their literature to give the appearance that we are all speaking of the same god (hey, it’s California – why stop the liberalization of the state at the door of the church?).  We don’t accept it.  There is too much in the Bible to support a loving, caring Jesus, Son of God, and, in fact, God Himself!  There is no way He can be found within the pages of hatred such as the Quran.

And speaking of Him being God Himself, I wanted to dive a bit deeper into this subject and to continue where I left off in Talking Point #69, not to mention a direct shout out to all those who would believe that Jesus never claimed to be God.  In the Bible, Jesus is called Savior.  He is also called Redeemer, Rock, and other titles (if I give them all here, as John says, there wouldn’t be enough room to write them all – go and do your own research on His various titles).  Notice that I capitalize the words referring to Him to make it easy for the reader to determine Who is being spoken of.  In some cases, so does the Bible.  In other cases it does not; what is important is the original word used the in Scripture and I’ll show you each of them below.  When we discuss these matters in English, capitalization is so important that I carried it over to this blog site to differentiate the Real Jesus from the fake jesus (it’s been a convention since day 1).  Yes, it’s that important.  So keep that in mind as you continue reading.

Let’s take the terms “First and Last” (or variations thereof), Rock, Redeemer, and Savior and see what else we can find about them in Scripture.  I’m going to assume (for the sake of space if nothing else) that you already agree that the terms Rock, Redeemer, Savior, “First and Last”, etc., refer to Jesus Christ (of the Bible), however, I’m also going to prove it for those who doubt.  With that, then…ready?

“Hearken unto me, O Jacob and Israel, my called; I am he; I am the first, I also am the last.  Mine hand also hath laid the foundation of the earth, and my right hand hath spanned the heavens: when I call unto them, they stand up together.”
Isaiah 48:12-13

Now, strictly from memory (no fair cheating by turning to Genesis 1:1 and John 1:3), who was it that created the heaven and the earth?  Who created all that we see in the majesty of the heavens?

“The heavens declare the glory of God; and the firmament sheweth his handywork.”
Psalm 19:1

Whose handywork is it that the heavens are declaring?  We all know that this is pointing to God Himself.  But is He Jesus (of the Bible)?  Oh yeah!  But we can’t stop there…there is much more Scripture that supports this determination.

First and Last

I just gave you one example above of First and Last but let’s outline them below.  For starters, let’s go to the most obvious place in Scripture where Jesus (of the Bible) introduces Himself as the First and the Last (among other titles):

“Saying, I am Alpha and Omega, the first and the last: and, What thou seest, write in a book, and send it unto the seven churches which are in Asia; unto Ephesus, and unto Smyrna, and unto Pergamos, and unto Thyatira, and unto Sardis, and unto Philadelphia, and unto Laodicea.”
Revelation 1:11

This title is repeated just a few verses later:

“And when I saw him, I fell at his feet as dead. And he laid his right hand upon me, saying unto me, Fear not; I am the first and the last:”
Revelation 1:17

Now that you know one of His titles you can easily search Scripture for other references for the same introduction and you can immediately spot Him in places where others swear He isn’t.  This is part of that “having eyes that see and ears that hear” kind of thing.  Without understanding Scripture and what is blatantly given to us, we lose the true meaning and the possibility of knowing something as important as seeing Him when He steps on stage.  Worse, you leave yourself open to receiving the misguided message of those who would have you believe otherwise, specifically that Jesus (of the Bible) is not God.  There is no such thing as Chrislam.  Read on to be amazed – all doubt is about to be wiped away:

“Hearken unto me, O Jacob and Israel, my called; I am he; I am the first, I also am the last.”
Isaiah 48:12

In this verse, God is speaking directly to His children Israel and identified Himself as first and last.  But check out this one:

Thus saith the LORD the King of Israel, and his redeemer the LORD of hosts; I am the first, and I am the last; and beside me there is no God.”
Isaiah 44:6

Let’s break that one down.  We’re reading from the Old Testament Scriptures so it should be an easy agreement that the word “LORD” as used here refers to God (as the verse plainly surmises at the end).  But to most, the word “LORD” like we see it here means “God the Father.”  But it goes on to say “…and his redeemer…”  To Whom is this pointing?  Who is the Redeemer?  It is Jesus Christ of the Bible.  But like the television infomercials, “But wait, there’s more!”  Keep reading and you’ll see that He also described Himself as “…I am the first and I am the last;” and then He nails it with “…and beside Me there is no God.”  There is very little one can make of such a statement without a great deal of tap dancing around the Truth.  Hallelujah!!  This one verse ties together the notion of First and Last with God Himself!


Who is it in Scripture Who is referred to as a Rock?  Paul tells us without a doubt (I love the verses that plainly state fact because they can’t be debated into something they were not meant to be).  While addressing the church at Corinth and giving them a history lesson on the wilderness wanderings, Paul tell us:

“And did all drink the same spiritual drink: for they drank of that spiritual Rock that followed them: and that Rock was Christ.”
1st Corinthians 10:4

Paul and Peter both, alluding to the Old Testament, tell us that He (God) laid before Israel a “Rock of offense”.  Here are the verses as given in the King James Version:

“As it is written, Behold, I lay in Sion a stumblingstone and rock of offence: and whosoever believeth on him shall not be ashamed.”
Romans 9:33

And a stone of stumbling, and a rock of offence, even to them which stumble at the word, being disobedient: whereunto also they were appointed.”
1st Peter 2:8

So from where were they quoting?  Let’s go to the Old Testament and see if we can find it.  Speaking to Israel in Isaiah chapter 8, and warning them about calamity to follow for their failure to follow His Word, God tells Isaiah about “Immanuel” and promises “God with us” (you can also follow this line with the promise of the coming of One Who would be born of a virgin as a sign and reaffirmed in Matthew 1 – by the way, has He ever been called Immanuel?) .

“And he shall be for a sanctuary; but for a stone of stumbling and for a rock of offence to both the houses of Israel, for a gin and for a snare to the inhabitants of Jerusalem.”
Isaiah 8:14

So we know Who this “rock” is that is spoken of and promised to us, but that doesn’t exactly prove that He’s God.  There are other places we need to look to tie all of this up together and make the point.

“Give ear, O ye heavens, and I will speak; and hear, O earth, the words of my mouth.  My doctrine shall drop as the rain, my speech shall distil as the dew, as the small rain upon the tender herb, and as the showers upon the grass: Because I will publish the name of the Lord: ascribe ye greatness unto our God.  He is the Rock, his work is perfect: for all his ways are judgment: a God of truth and without iniquity, just and right is he.”
Deuteronomy 32:1-4

“There is none holy as the Lord: for there is none beside thee: neither is there any rock like our God.”
1st Samuel 2:2

“For who is God, save the Lord? and who is a rock, save our God?
2nd Samuel 22:32

The Lord is my rock, and my fortress, and my deliverer; my God, my strength, in whom I will trust; my buckler, and the horn of my salvation, and my high tower.”
Psalm 18:2

“For who is God save the Lord? or who is a rock save our God?
Psalm 18:31

And they remembered that God was their rock, and the high God their redeemer.”
Psalm 78:35

“He shall cry unto me, Thou art my father, my God, and the rock of my salvation.”
Psalm 89:26

“But the Lord is my defence; and my God is the rock of my refuge.”
Psalm 94:22

Wow!  Now that’s some Biblical support for a premise, huh?  After reading and digesting all of that, we should have no reason to not believe that Jesus Christ is God!  He’s not in the Quran because He’s busy being God, not a mere messenger :-) (see Sura 4:171 above).


Look back up to Psalm 78:35 and you’ll see again that He is described as God, Rock and Redeemer all in one verse!  But let’s look at other Scripture as well to gain backup support.

“And I will feed them that oppress thee with their own flesh; and they shall be drunken with their own blood, as with sweet wine: and all flesh shall know that I the Lord am thy Saviour and thy Redeemer, the mighty One of Jacob.”
Isaiah 49:26

“Thou shalt also suck the milk of the Gentiles, and shalt suck the breast of kings: and thou shalt know that I the LORD am thy Saviour and thy Redeemer, the mighty One of Jacob.”
Isaiah 60:16

Now, I’m going to ask permission to NOT write out all the verses Scripture where the terms God and Redeemer are linked together, but I do want to list them for you.  Print this page and go to the Scriptures for yourself and begin reading.  You’ll be turning pages a while…

Here are the places where you can find evidence that the Rock is God Himself, the LORD, as He is titled in the King James Version.  I’ll offer you a quick challenge – see how many of them actually capitalize the word Redeemer!

Psalm 19:14Isaiah 41:14
Isaiah 43:14
Isaiah 44:6
Isaiah 44:24
Isaiah 47:4
Isaiah 48:17
Isaiah 49:7
Isaiah 49:26
Isaiah 54:5
Isaiah 54:8
Isaiah 59:20
Isaiah 60:16 (above)
Isaiah 63:16
Jeremiah 50:34

Keep in mind that these are only the verses that combine LORD and Redeemer in one; there are many others that label Him as God.  You can do this research on your own.

But this should be enough to leave us with no doubt that the Rock, as identified explicitly by Paul as Jesus Christ Himself, is God in the flesh!  Who was it again that suggested that Jesus is not God; or, rather, who was it that said He never said He was God?  Go read the Bible a little closer and you’ll see that there is no other conclusion to which you can come, and He is not the same as the guy named jesus in the Quran.  No, sir…


I kind of saved (no pun intended) this one for last because I’m partial to this term as it described Jesus (of the Bible).  The bottom line is that man can save neither himself nor anyone else.  Because He created man, it takes God to save man, and He did so when He sent His Son, Jesus Christ (of the Bible) to this earth to die for our sins.  The guy named jesus in the Quran didn’t die for your sins (in fact, Islam offers you no such salvation but you must work for your salvation – a totally different “salvation” approach than that offered through the Blood of Jesus of the Bible).

Let’s break out some Scripture references to prove that He, the Savior from the New Testament, is also the Savior mentioned in the Old, and that He is God Himself.

The God of my rock; in him will I trust: he is my shield, and the horn of my salvation, my high tower, and my refuge, my saviour; thou savest me from violence.”
2nd Samuel 22:3

They forgat God their saviour, which had done great things in Egypt;”
psalm 106:21

For I am the LORD thy God, the Holy One of Israel, thy Saviour: I gave Egypt for thy ransom, Ethiopia and Seba for thee.”
Isaiah 43:3

“Verily thou art a God that hidest thyself, O God of Israel, the Saviour.”
Isaiah 45:15

“Tell ye, and bring them near; yea, let them take counsel together: who hath declared this from ancient time? who hath told it from that time? have not I the LORD? and there is no God else beside me; a just God and a Saviour; there is none beside me.”
Isaiah 45:21

“Yet I am the LORD thy God from the land of Egypt, and thou shalt know no god but me: for there is no saviour beside me.”
Hosea 13:4

Look back at that last one again, Hosea 13:4, and then re-read Psalm 106:21.  Notice that these two verses share something very special and they themselves combine very important characteristics of Him.  In Psalm 106:21, notice that He (God and Savior) “…had done great things in Egypt;”.  In Hosea 13:4, He is “…thy God from the land of Egypt,”.  Is there other Biblical evidence to detail these great things and tell us about the God with Israel in the land of Egypt, the One before Whom we are to have no other gods?  Let’s look into the Book of Exodus to a very well-known chapter and see a very well-known verse as God introduces Himself and lays out “The Ten Commandments”:

I am the LORD thy God, which have brought thee out of the land of Egypt, out of the house of bondage.  Thou shalt have no other gods before me.
Exodus 20:2-3

Yes, He is the God, The God, THE GOD, that brought Israel out of the land of Egypt!  And in Psalm 106 He is identified as none other than the Savior, Jesus Christ Himself!  Scripture truly is the best commentary on Scripture!

It’s about time to wrap this one up.  It’s been a long write-up about the King (Doh!  There’s another title – I bet I could find evidence to tie Jesus of the Bible to that title as well!!) and the Word of the Lord (occurs 245 times in the Old Testament alone – compare that to the opening lines in the Book of John).  We all know that knowledge of Him is indefinite and we’ll spend eternity getting to know Him and discovering more very important and very cool things about Him.  For now, I could go on and on with other titles and link them to Old Testament verses that prove that He is God, but I also want you to do some of your own research.  Go forth and prove me wrong if you can (and if you do, please use the “Contact” page here to notify me and show me your research).  Good luck with that!

So, the Son of God, Jesus Christ, has nothing to do with Islam.  Anyone who tells you otherwise is wrong and now you have some ammunition to use against their argument.  Be warned that the world does not want to know the things I’ve presented here so you may not have an easy time presenting them, but don’t let that stop you.  Witness to Muslims if you have a chance and teach them the Truth about Jesus Christ (of the Bible).  Talking to them about jesus in the Quran is about as productive to their salvation as talking to them about the first guy to ride across the United States for Wells Fargo.  Both were merely messengers and both are now dead.  Neither of them was or is God and, therefore, they are inconsequential to the message of salvation that we are obligated to take to all the lost, including Muslims.  Speaking to them out of some false “common ground” and about a phantom “savior in the Quran named Isa” is counterproductive to anything related to eternity with God (of the Bible).  It’s pointless to keep talking about the guy named jesus in the Quran as if he were anything more than a messenger.  He isn’t, because He isn’t Jesus Christ, and…

Jesus is NOT in the Quran!